COVID-19 - On the Ground

[Deleted User 863]

Bogeyman? Take it to the golf thread.

[JKLivin]

Great Bible verses. Lots of people prooftext like that to mold it to fit their preconceived notions. I'm sure that's true of whatever website you culled them from.

You mean like the oft-quoted Leviticus verse used to justify homophobia?

Among many others.

[JKLivin]

I think it's pretty clear that JKLivin doesn't understand communism, but he doesn't understand the bogeyman!

For the record, I'm not advocating for communism.

I’ve taught Sociology for ten years. I understand just fine.

[Cascadia]

I think it's pretty clear that JKLivin doesn't understand communism, but he doesn't understand the bogeyman!

For the record, I'm not advocating for communism.

I’ve taught Sociology for ten years. I understand just fine.

I feel sorry for your students.

[JKLivin]

I think it's pretty clear that JKLivin doesn't understand communism, but he doesn't understand the bogeyman!

For the record, I'm not advocating for communism.

I’ve taught Sociology for ten years. I understand just fine.

I feel sorry for your students.

I feel sorry for you. You’re obviously a very unhappy individual.

[japhy]

maybe psych is right, and communism won't work because human nature. (covid response examples be damned)

but if communism won't work because human nature, then why the eff would we trust humans with a system like capitalism instead?

and yea, lots of people DO prooftext like that to mold the Bible to fit their preconceived notions. but, as zsn pointed out, that sort of thing applies at least as much to perpetuate homophobia, and misogyny, and other bass ackwards world views (not to mention the prosperity gospel type bullshit)

Cuz actually, the Bible is actually quite thorough and consistent in its messaging to condemn excessive wealth, and to support the impoverished and and vulnerable and oppressed. but only if you choose to read it that way.

heck, maybe it's Christianity that doesn't work because human nature won't let it work.

I had a history professor at KU explain Marxist Communism years ago. He maintained that it was a religion, not really a political or economic construct. In the last stage of "the revolution" the government would fade from power and the people would take communal ownership of property from the State and share equitably and there would be peace and heaven on earth. It assumes people are altruistic and that once having gotten power they would not use it for their personal gain. And after society was made "right", they would just relinquish power and wealth and property and become just another citizen. That stage of the revolutions never seems to be reached.

Just a few more decades of the leaders making deals with Apple to produce iPhones and we will be there comrades! The Great Leap Forward is at hand!

A condo association is as close to communal property ownership as I have gotten and all I have to say about my 3 year interaction with the HOA is "fuck that". The person who aspires to be HOA president is likely a similar personality type that wants to be president of the US, and the people who you would least want to hold that kind of power.

But long before Marx, there were cultures based upon the concepts of communal property and equitable sharing of housing/food/water. Those were closer to the Marxist ideal than any modern country that ever called itself a communist nation. It was only possible because the idea of capitalism had never been introduced to them. Once Capitalism came to the Americas it was all downhill for the people who didn't understand the concepts. "Might is Right" and "Manifest Destiny" have ruled the day ever since. But that doesn't change the fact that it worked for hundreds of years.

But there isn't any reality based way to turn back the clock to "the good old days". And there never really was any good old days, as one groups good old days were another's bad old days.

[Cascadia]

I’ve taught Sociology for ten years. I understand just fine.

I feel sorry for your students.

I feel sorry for you. You’re obviously a very unhappy individual.

Yeah, don't, my life is great.

[ousdahl]

maybe psych is right, and communism won't work because human nature. (covid response examples be damned)

but if communism won't work because human nature, then why the eff would we trust humans with a system like capitalism instead?

and yea, lots of people DO prooftext like that to mold the Bible to fit their preconceived notions. but, as zsn pointed out, that sort of thing applies at least as much to perpetuate homophobia, and misogyny, and other bass ackwards world views (not to mention the prosperity gospel type bullshit)

Cuz actually, the Bible is actually quite thorough and consistent in its messaging to condemn excessive wealth, and to support the impoverished and and vulnerable and oppressed. but only if you choose to read it that way.

heck, maybe it's Christianity that doesn't work because human nature won't let it work.

I had a history professor at KU explain Marxist Communism years ago. He maintained that it was a religion, not really a political or economic construct. In the last stage of "the revolution" the government would fade from power and the people would take communal ownership of property from the State and share equitably and there would be peace and heaven on earth. It assumes people are altruistic and that once having gotten power they would not use it for their personal gain. And after society was made "right", they would just relinquish power and wealth and property and become just another citizen. That stage of the revolutions never seems to be reached.

Just a few more decades of the leaders making deals with Apple to produce iPhones and we will be there comrades! The Great Leap Forward is at hand!

A condo association is as close to communal property ownership as I have gotten and all I have to say about my 3 year interaction with the HOA is "fuck that". The person who aspires to be HOA president is likely a similar personality type that wants to be president of the US, and the people who you would least want to hold that kind of power.

But long before Marx, there were cultures based upon the concepts of communal property and equitable sharing of housing/food/water. Those were closer to the Marxist ideal than any modern country that ever called itself a communist nation. It was only possible because the idea of capitalism had never been introduced to them. Once Capitalism came to the Americas it was all downhill for the people who didn't understand the concepts. "Might is Right" and "Manifest Destiny" have ruled the day ever since. But that doesn't change the fact that it worked for hundreds of years.

But there isn't any reality based way to turn back the clock to "the good old days". And there never really was any good old days, as one groups good old days were another's bad old days.

POTD

[ousdahl]

and those expressions about rather than the land belong to us, get back to the culture of we belong to the land

and rather than a culture of but mah rights, a culture of but mah responsibilities

[Cascadia]

Brainwashing at it's finest!

[JKLivin]

maybe psych is right, and communism won't work because human nature. (covid response examples be damned)

but if communism won't work because human nature, then why the eff would we trust humans with a system like capitalism instead?

and yea, lots of people DO prooftext like that to mold the Bible to fit their preconceived notions. but, as zsn pointed out, that sort of thing applies at least as much to perpetuate homophobia, and misogyny, and other bass ackwards world views (not to mention the prosperity gospel type bullshit)

Cuz actually, the Bible is actually quite thorough and consistent in its messaging to condemn excessive wealth, and to support the impoverished and and vulnerable and oppressed. but only if you choose to read it that way.

heck, maybe it's Christianity that doesn't work because human nature won't let it work.

I had a history professor at KU explain Marxist Communism years ago. He maintained that it was a religion, not really a political or economic construct. In the last stage of "the revolution" the government would fade from power and the people would take communal ownership of property from the State and share equitably and there would be peace and heaven on earth. It assumes people are altruistic and that once having gotten power they would not use it for their personal gain. And after society was made "right", they would just relinquish power and wealth and property and become just another citizen. That stage of the revolutions never seems to be reached.

Just a few more decades of the leaders making deals with Apple to produce iPhones and we will be there comrades! The Great Leap Forward is at hand!

A condo association is as close to communal property ownership as I have gotten and all I have to say about my 3 year interaction with the HOA is "fuck that". The person who aspires to be HOA president is likely a similar personality type that wants to be president of the US, and the people who you would least want to hold that kind of power.

But long before Marx, there were cultures based upon the concepts of communal property and equitable sharing of housing/food/water. Those were closer to the Marxist ideal than any modern country that ever called itself a communist nation. It was only possible because the idea of capitalism had never been introduced to them. Once Capitalism came to the Americas it was all downhill for the people who didn't understand the concepts. "Might is Right" and "Manifest Destiny" have ruled the day ever since. But that doesn't change the fact that it worked for hundreds of years.

But there isn't any reality based way to turn back the clock to "the good old days". And there never really was any good old days, as one groups good old days were another's bad old days.

I would agree with your professor’s statement that Marxism is a religion. That’s a large part of what makes it dangerous and untenable. Misplaced faith always leads somewhere bad.

[JKLivin]

I feel sorry for your students.

I feel sorry for you. You’re obviously a very unhappy individual.

Yeah, don't, my life is great.

I can tell.

[japhy]

maybe psych is right, and communism won't work because human nature. (covid response examples be damned)

but if communism won't work because human nature, then why the eff would we trust humans with a system like capitalism instead?

and yea, lots of people DO prooftext like that to mold the Bible to fit their preconceived notions. but, as zsn pointed out, that sort of thing applies at least as much to perpetuate homophobia, and misogyny, and other bass ackwards world views (not to mention the prosperity gospel type bullshit)

Cuz actually, the Bible is actually quite thorough and consistent in its messaging to condemn excessive wealth, and to support the impoverished and and vulnerable and oppressed. but only if you choose to read it that way.

heck, maybe it's Christianity that doesn't work because human nature won't let it work.

I had a history professor at KU explain Marxist Communism years ago. He maintained that it was a religion, not really a political or economic construct. In the last stage of "the revolution" the government would fade from power and the people would take communal ownership of property from the State and share equitably and there would be peace and heaven on earth. It assumes people are altruistic and that once having gotten power they would not use it for their personal gain. And after society was made "right", they would just relinquish power and wealth and property and become just another citizen. That stage of the revolutions never seems to be reached.

Just a few more decades of the leaders making deals with Apple to produce iPhones and we will be there comrades! The Great Leap Forward is at hand!

A condo association is as close to communal property ownership as I have gotten and all I have to say about my 3 year interaction with the HOA is "fuck that". The person who aspires to be HOA president is likely a similar personality type that wants to be president of the US, and the people who you would least want to hold that kind of power.

But long before Marx, there were cultures based upon the concepts of communal property and equitable sharing of housing/food/water. Those were closer to the Marxist ideal than any modern country that ever called itself a communist nation. It was only possible because the idea of capitalism had never been introduced to them. Once Capitalism came to the Americas it was all downhill for the people who didn't understand the concepts. "Might is Right" and "Manifest Destiny" have ruled the day ever since. But that doesn't change the fact that it worked for hundreds of years.

But there isn't any reality based way to turn back the clock to "the good old days". And there never really was any good old days, as one groups good old days were another's bad old days.

I would agree with your professor’s statement that Marxism is a religion. That’s a large part of what makes it dangerous and untenable. Misplaced faith always leads somewhere bad.

I feel we are very close to a real breakthrough here. You and Oussie and DC and Feral should report to the Empire the week before Solstice. Defix and I will meet you at the mud huts. I will bring the psilocybin and Defix and I will be your guides. When dawn breaks we will all be sitting naked around a small greasewood fire holding hands and singing "This Land Is Your Land" together, in a round.

not necessarily stone.....but beautiful.....

[Mjl]

maybe psych is right, and communism won't work because human nature. (covid response examples be damned)

but if communism won't work because human nature, then why the eff would we trust humans with a system like capitalism instead?

Because capitalism utilizes human nature whereas communism tries ( and fails) to push back against it.

[JKLivin]

I had a history professor at KU explain Marxist Communism years ago. He maintained that it was a religion, not really a political or economic construct. In the last stage of "the revolution" the government would fade from power and the people would take communal ownership of property from the State and share equitably and there would be peace and heaven on earth. It assumes people are altruistic and that once having gotten power they would not use it for their personal gain. And after society was made "right", they would just relinquish power and wealth and property and become just another citizen. That stage of the revolutions never seems to be reached.

Just a few more decades of the leaders making deals with Apple to produce iPhones and we will be there comrades! The Great Leap Forward is at hand!

A condo association is as close to communal property ownership as I have gotten and all I have to say about my 3 year interaction with the HOA is "fuck that". The person who aspires to be HOA president is likely a similar personality type that wants to be president of the US, and the people who you would least want to hold that kind of power.

But long before Marx, there were cultures based upon the concepts of communal property and equitable sharing of housing/food/water. Those were closer to the Marxist ideal than any modern country that ever called itself a communist nation. It was only possible because the idea of capitalism had never been introduced to them. Once Capitalism came to the Americas it was all downhill for the people who didn't understand the concepts. "Might is Right" and "Manifest Destiny" have ruled the day ever since. But that doesn't change the fact that it worked for hundreds of years.

But there isn't any reality based way to turn back the clock to "the good old days". And there never really was any good old days, as one groups good old days were another's bad old days.

I would agree with your professor’s statement that Marxism is a religion. That’s a large part of what makes it dangerous and untenable. Misplaced faith always leads somewhere bad.

I feel we are very close to a real breakthrough here. You and Oussie and DC and Feral should report to the Empire the week before Solstice. Defix and I will meet you at the mud huts. I will bring the psilocybin and Defix and I will be your guides. When dawn breaks we will all be sitting naked around a small greasewood fire holding hands and singing "This Land Is Your Land" together, in a round.

not necessarily stone.....but beautiful.....

Yeah . . . you lost me at "sitting naked".

[japhy]

That's why there is a guide, it's easy to get lost.

[TDub]

will there be a peace pipe, a sweat lodge and a potential vision quest? if so, im in.

[jhawks99]

will there be a peace pipe, a sweat lodge and a potential vision quest? if so, im in.

#metoo

[japhy]

Report to the mud huts, everything you need will be there. Overlander will have manhattans for everyone in the Spud Lounge when the ceremony ends.

[defixione]

I might add, daily epiphanies are the norm in the SLV.