COVID-19 - On the Ground

[PhDhawk]

There were a couple people that literally died from getting the vaccine. They always ignore those. Which is hilarious. "Safe and effective"... then why are those people dead

Its extremely rare. But still. For those couple people, if they would've skipped the vaccine and just got covid they had a 99 percent chance of not dying

I don't think you can make that assumption.

The deaths were caused by thrombocytopenia, which, is also caused by the virus. It is a reaction to the spike protein which is used as the antigenic agent in the vaccines. But remember, that's a protein from the virus itself.

My guess, is that those individuals would have had a similar reaction to infection with the virus as they had to the vaccine, since it's the same protein and the virus causes thrombocytopenia much more frequently than the vaccine.

This is conjecture, there is no research to back up my hypothesis. But I think it's reasonable to assume that an individual who had thrombocytopenia when presented the spike protein in the context of the vaccine would have reacted similarly if not worse, when presented the spike protein in the context of infection.

[twocoach]

There were a couple people that literally died from getting the vaccine. They always ignore those. Which is hilarious. "Safe and effective"... then why are those people dead

Its extremely rare. But still. For those couple people, if they would've skipped the vaccine and just got covid they had a 99 percent chance of not dying

And there have been some people who have been killed by the seat belt they were wearing in a car when they were in a car accident. It's extremely rare. But still.

Yet I don't see you calling for seat belt laws to be rescinded or calling them a hoax or useless. Why is that?

[zsn]

Don’t give them any more ideas. Seat belts conspiracy hasn’t yet returned on the radar for Tucker Carlson, Rogan, and assorted riffraff. When it does, you can be sure randy, Mich and lobster will be here, having heeded the Bat Signal.

[jhawks99]

I need a way to de-fluoride my water. Gotta think of those precious bodily fluids.

[jfish26]

He's very careful with his words, but it's as clear as mud what he was saying. He can't say "the vaccines are not being investigated for deaths" because Youtube would ban him. He's got 3 million subscribers and doesn't want to lose that.

Let's see if Randy understands. If he can understand the video, then I think it's clear that you're just pretending to not understand.

He should say it on Twitter. Where free speech is a thing again. But I havent watched the video

There's no more efficient way to identify a True Rube than by this sort of vapid, middle-school-gotcha nonsense. It speaks for itself.

[jfish26]

He's very careful with his words, but it's as clear as mud what he was saying. He can't say "the vaccines are not being investigated for deaths" because Youtube would ban him. He's got 3 million subscribers and doesn't want to lose that.

Let's see if Randy understands. If he can understand the video, then I think it's clear that you're just pretending to not understand.

I'm not sure you know what "it's as clear as mud" means.

[jfish26]

Campbell has reported himself as vaccine injured. He developed hypertension after his booster. He's also had on guests who were severely injured from the covid shot.

Swing and a miss, as others on here would say.

I'm not sure that your hero having "reported himself as vaccine injured" is quite the own you think it is. Well, I mean, it very much IS an own, but.

[StayCurious]

Campbell is good example of how one can stay intellectually honest. He initially was recommending the jabs, and took two shots. He eventually took his booster. He noticed that none of the shots were reducing covid in the countries that used them. He later noticed myocarditis and huge increase in non-covid deaths were increasing. He later noticed Africa had been least bothered by covid and made videos on that. Has admitted that he was wrong on the jabs and has accepted that he was fooled. Just within the last month, he mentioned he reported his vaccine injury to the UK reporting system. Now he says he is not getting any more shots. Had been recommending people not take them, if you know how to understand communication.

[randylahey]

There were a couple people that literally died from getting the vaccine. They always ignore those. Which is hilarious. "Safe and effective"... then why are those people dead

Its extremely rare. But still. For those couple people, if they would've skipped the vaccine and just got covid they had a 99 percent chance of not dying

I don't think you can make that assumption.

The deaths were caused by thrombocytopenia, which, is also caused by the virus. It is a reaction to the spike protein which is used as the antigenic agent in the vaccines. But remember, that's a protein from the virus itself.

My guess, is that those individuals would have had a similar reaction to infection with the virus as they had to the vaccine, since it's the same protein and the virus causes thrombocytopenia much more frequently than the vaccine.

This is conjecture, there is no research to back up my hypothesis. But I think it's reasonable to assume that an individual who had thrombocytopenia when presented the spike protein in the context of the vaccine would have reacted similarly if not worse, when presented the spike protein in the context of infection.

Thats fair. Im actually in agreement. The 99 percent was just referencing the general population's odds. Theres no point playing what ifs. A direct vacine injection was the wrong move for them unfortunately. If they had chanced it they could have had better results. Or they might have been fucked either way.

Vaccine death was extremely rare. Had those individuals known they could have declined vaccination and hoped to avoid the virus. Or hoped to be exposed to a small viral dose at first. But its also possible their immune system wouldn't have reacted the same way.

[randylahey]

There were a couple people that literally died from getting the vaccine. They always ignore those. Which is hilarious. "Safe and effective"... then why are those people dead

Its extremely rare. But still. For those couple people, if they would've skipped the vaccine and just got covid they had a 99 percent chance of not dying

And there have been some people who have been killed by the seat belt they were wearing in a car when they were in a car accident. It's extremely rare. But still.

Yet I don't see you calling for seat belt laws to be rescinded or calling them a hoax or useless. Why is that?

Imperfect anaology/totally different situation. anyone can die in a bad car crash. Or be permanently dismembered. Nobody is immune to that

A really large chunk of society was naturally immune to covid

[Mjl]

He's very careful with his words, but it's as clear as mud what he was saying. He can't say "the vaccines are not being investigated for deaths" because Youtube would ban him. He's got 3 million subscribers and doesn't want to lose that.

Let's see if Randy understands. If he can understand the video, then I think it's clear that you're just pretending to not understand.

I'm not sure you know what "it's as clear as mud" means.

I think that's the highlight of the thread right there

[StayCurious]

Perspective.

[RainbowsandUnicorns]

3 questions.
What is the exact definition of "serious event"?
Do you understand that all 3 of the vaccines were "promoted" and "administered" before, during, and after "serious events" took place. Yes, the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine was "withdrawn" as well as the Rotavirus vaccine - and do you understand why and what the differences are/were between the 1976 Swine Flu, Rotavirus, and Covid?

The 1976 Swine Flu wasn't nearly as as dangerous as Covid and the Swine Flu didn't end up being a pandemic. Tell me, how long did the 1976 Swine Flu last?
Yes, Guillain-Barre probably played a major role in the stopping of the promotion of the vaccine and then the "withdrawal" but doctors and medical professionals felt the vaccine wasn't necessary due to the lack of risk/s of contracting the Swine Flu.

Do you even know what Rotavirus is, how long it had been known to be a "virus", and was there an "outbreak" of it in 1999?

[zsn]

Bingo!! Safety isn’t the only issue when it comes to drugs, vaccines etc proceeding into commercialization. It’s the reward/risk ratio that’s important. If there’s poor efficacy or insufficient medical need there wouldn’t be a reason to market it.

If you apply the same metrics as the lunatic fringe supposedly wants for the vaccine to other treatments no drug for cancer treatment would ever make it to approval.

[PhDhawk]

Bingo!! Safety isn’t the only issue when it comes to drugs, vaccines etc proceeding into commercialization. It’s the reward/risk ratio that’s important. If there’s poor efficacy or insufficient medical need there wouldn’t be a reason to market it.

If you apply the same metrics as the lunatic fringe supposedly wants for the vaccine to other treatments no drug for cancer treatment would ever make it to approval.

Neither would Tylenol

[Overlander]

There were a couple people that literally died from getting the vaccine. They always ignore those. Which is hilarious. "Safe and effective"... then why are those people dead

Its extremely rare. But still. For those couple people, if they would've skipped the vaccine and just got covid they had a 99 percent chance of not dying

I don't think you can make that assumption.

The deaths were caused by thrombocytopenia, which, is also caused by the virus. It is a reaction to the spike protein which is used as the antigenic agent in the vaccines. But remember, that's a protein from the virus itself.

My guess, is that those individuals would have had a similar reaction to infection with the virus as they had to the vaccine, since it's the same protein and the virus causes thrombocytopenia much more frequently than the vaccine.

This is conjecture, there is no research to back up my hypothesis. But I think it's reasonable to assume that an individual who had thrombocytopenia when presented the spike protein in the context of the vaccine would have reacted similarly if not worse, when presented the spike protein in the context of infection.

Why do you bother?

You are reading poetry to chickens

[randylahey]

[randylahey]

[Overlander]

Iron clad source

[PhDhawk]

Using death rate data from after vaccines were released and from less deadly variants like omicron, to criticize decisions made in 2020 makes about as much sense as using this year's flu data to criticize decisions made in 1918.

Vaccines reduced death rates in all age groups. Newer variants had lower death rates. Death rates were higher when there were no vaccines and from the original strain. Did we forget how things were initially in Wuhan, or Italy, or New York?

As a result of the vaccines, the mandates that slowed the spread, and mutations to the virus, there are no more wide spread mask mandates, no school closings, businesses are open, KU just played a game in front of 16,300 fans...what are people bitching and moaning about?

I swear, some people are the biggest babies. Someone asked you to wear a mask two years ago and you're still butt hurt? Someone gave you a harmless shot to protect you from illness, and you're crying about it still? The people continuing to complain about social distancing months and years after things have almost completely gone back to normal might be the biggest group of overly sensitive snowflake pansies I've ever seen.