COVID-19 - On the Ground

[Deleted User 863]

Liberals have moved the goal posts so far on covid we are playing on a different field now.

The goal posts aren't moving at all..

Eh, they've moved quite a bit in many aspects.

[twocoach]

It's not unspeakable; it can be investigated while still understanding that it may not be the origin. But that guy is just chumming the waters with his predictable Trumpism claims. It's Trumper buzzword bingo for guys like that in every comment they make.

and randy laps it up

Curious that they are ignoring the fact that the Department of Energy report clearly stated that they believed that the leak was unintentional. So shocking that they pick and choose which parts of the claim are valid and which are not depending solely on whether they support their personal opinions.

[DCHawk1]

And no I still don't trust the fbi, cia, etc. The intelligence community typical has a motive behind their public statements. They don't often freely offer opinions or information to the general public on a lot of things

Its just interesting that EVEN they are saying it came from a lab now. A theory I've been considering for years and was criticized on her for by some of you

That isn't what they are saying. They are saying that they have a low degree of confidence that it is the most likely source based on the evidence they have today. It's not a did/didn't lightswitch thing.

FWIW, the FBI actually says it has "moderate" confidence.

[Shirley]

May 7, 2020 President Trump’s campaign began its 2020 effort against Joe Biden last month with a highly deceptive ad aimed at arguing that Biden was too soft on China.

But now, a new revelation reinforces just how soft Trump was on China when it arguably mattered most — at the start of the coronavirus outbreak.

The Wall Street Journal reports that Trump was advised twice in January to press China to be more transparent about the outbreak in Wuhan. But Trump ignored the advice:

Early this year, several of Mr. Trump’s political advisers inside and outside the campaign urged him to take on China more directly, which they argued would have bipartisan appeal. One idea they suggested was a special commission to investigate the origins of the virus and whether Beijing responded sufficiently to control the outbreak.

Mr. Trump twice declined suggestions from his team in January to press [Chinese President] Xi [Jinping] for more transparency about the virus’s causes and symptoms, in one case saying that the criticism could cause Beijing to be less helpful, said White House officials.

In fact, Trump didn’t just decline the suggestions; he actually went in the opposite direction. Trump repeatedly praised China’s coronavirus response through late February. And on two different occasions, he actually vouched for China’s transparency, despite the advice.

[...]

[Mjl]

"lab leak" and "lab made" are very much not the same thing... Right?

[randylahey]

"lab leak" and "lab made" are very much not the same thing... Right?

Lab leak refers to a lab manipulated virus escaping the confines of said lab

[randylahey]

Liberals have moved the goal posts so far on covid we are playing on a different field now.

The goal posts aren't moving at all..

Eh, they've moved quite a bit in many aspects.

The goal posts have moved so much they had to be replaced by new goal posts on a different field. The narrative has been shifting this for 3 years now

[Deleted User 863]

To be fair, of course things have shifted and evolved. That was to be expected.


But some of the blame game type stuff in the media and ineffective pushing of vaccines and blaming unvaccinated for the pandemic definitely didn't turn out to be as true as people made it seem at the time.

I remember Rachel Maddow saying plenty of shit that looking back was wrong and unnecessarily divisive.

I think most of the time stuff was done with good intentions, but we are so divided that when one side makes a mistake the other side must relentlessly throw it in their face.


I see both sides of it. Shocker, I know.

[randylahey]

This all started as "2 weeks to flatten the curve" that was the original goal posts.

Then came forced masking, continued forced shutdowns of businesses, people lost their businesses and jobs because of a crashed economy that wasn't allowed to reopen. The shutdowns and masking were nowhere nearly as effective as advertised. People predicted it.

Then came trial vaccines. People were afraid there would be mandates, they were labeled conspiracy theorists for that, they were right. Businesses in all sorts of various fields mandated the vaccines and peoples lost their jobs for wanting bodily autonomy to make their own health choices.

The vaccines were rushed out and promised to be safe and effective. People questioned that, were called conspiracy theorists for that, they were right. Fauci/biden said word for word that if you get vaccinated you won't get covid. There was no science to back that, it was a lie it wasn't even tested to see if the vaccine would stop the spread.

People that played along and got vaxxed w were having health complications, they were censored, their posts about their real life experiences removed from big tech platforms. But when people said that big tech is censoring them, they were called conspiracy theorists. They were right about it, later was proven big tech WAS controlling the narrative. When people said the vaccine isn't necessarily safe and there are risks, they were called conspiracy theorists, and yet again they were right. The vaccine has proven health complications.

Faucci said he had nothing to do with funding research on gain of function on viruses, people said he was, they were called conspiracy theorists, and yet again they were right.

The scary aspect to some of all of this is whether or not covid is a product of lab research/manipulation. People suspected it was from a lab, they were called conspiracy theorists, and YET AGAIN they were right.

Youve been lied to time and time again. Its a proven record, and still some of you are unwilling to question things, its pure insanity.

So tell me again... how have the goal posts not moved????

[randylahey]

Ask you shall receive.. well maybe. Its always sketchy when the senate comes together and agrees on something

[jfish26]

This all started as "2 weeks to flatten the curve" that was the original goal posts.

Then came forced masking, continued forced shutdowns of businesses, people lost their businesses and jobs because of a crashed economy that wasn't allowed to reopen. The shutdowns and masking were nowhere nearly as effective as advertised. People predicted it.

Then came trial vaccines. People were afraid there would be mandates, they were labeled conspiracy theorists for that, they were right. Businesses in all sorts of various fields mandated the vaccines and peoples lost their jobs for wanting bodily autonomy to make their own health choices.

The vaccines were rushed out and promised to be safe and effective. People questioned that, were called conspiracy theorists for that, they were right. Fauci/biden said word for word that if you get vaccinated you won't get covid. There was no science to back that, it was a lie it wasn't even tested to see if the vaccine would stop the spread.

People that played along and got vaxxed w were having health complications, they were censored, their posts about their real life experiences removed from big tech platforms. But when people said that big tech is censoring them, they were called conspiracy theorists. They were right about it, later was proven big tech WAS controlling the narrative. When people said the vaccine isn't necessarily safe and there are risks, they were called conspiracy theorists, and yet again they were right. The vaccine has proven health complications.

Faucci said he had nothing to do with funding research on gain of function on viruses, people said he was, they were called conspiracy theorists, and yet again they were right.

The scary aspect to some of all of this is whether or not covid is a product of lab research/manipulation. People suspected it was from a lab, they were called conspiracy theorists, and YET AGAIN they were right.

Youve been lied to time and time again. Its a proven record, and still some of you are unwilling to question things, its pure insanity.

So tell me again... how have the goal posts not moved????

I hesitate to even engage with this True Rubery, but you need to bring some evidence. Maybe you could start by showing where Fauci or Biden ever said, one single time, that if you got the vaccines that were developed that you wouldn’t get Covid.

I note, on this point, that you said “word for word.” So I presume you have this at hand.

[TDub]

Biden said something very very similar to that I believe during the debates or that time frame.

[PhDhawk]

I think he misspoke...as he'sprone to do...especially since he correctly described the vaccines efficacy twice prior.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics ... index.html

Not nearly as damning as dipshit is trying to make it seem.

[Shirley]

"lab leak" and "lab made" are very much not the same thing... Right?

Lab leak refers to a lab manipulated virus escaping the confines of said lab

Mjl, don't listen to that crap. I doubt the guy who think he knows more than one of, if not the most preeminent infectious disease physician in the world, has ever worked in a lab. A "lab leak" is a "leak", whether what's leaked has been manipulated, or not.

Pro tip randy: Ignorant unsubstantiated post after ignorant unsubstantiated post doesn't convince anyone who isn't already in your cult.

[randylahey]

This all started as "2 weeks to flatten the curve" that was the original goal posts.

Then came forced masking, continued forced shutdowns of businesses, people lost their businesses and jobs because of a crashed economy that wasn't allowed to reopen. The shutdowns and masking were nowhere nearly as effective as advertised. People predicted it.

Then came trial vaccines. People were afraid there would be mandates, they were labeled conspiracy theorists for that, they were right. Businesses in all sorts of various fields mandated the vaccines and peoples lost their jobs for wanting bodily autonomy to make their own health choices.

The vaccines were rushed out and promised to be safe and effective. People questioned that, were called conspiracy theorists for that, they were right. Fauci/biden said word for word that if you get vaccinated you won't get covid. There was no science to back that, it was a lie it wasn't even tested to see if the vaccine would stop the spread.

People that played along and got vaxxed w were having health complications, they were censored, their posts about their real life experiences removed from big tech platforms. But when people said that big tech is censoring them, they were called conspiracy theorists. They were right about it, later was proven big tech WAS controlling the narrative. When people said the vaccine isn't necessarily safe and there are risks, they were called conspiracy theorists, and yet again they were right. The vaccine has proven health complications.

Faucci said he had nothing to do with funding research on gain of function on viruses, people said he was, they were called conspiracy theorists, and yet again they were right.

The scary aspect to some of all of this is whether or not covid is a product of lab research/manipulation. People suspected it was from a lab, they were called conspiracy theorists, and YET AGAIN they were right.

Youve been lied to time and time again. Its a proven record, and still some of you are unwilling to question things, its pure insanity.

So tell me again... how have the goal posts not moved????

I hesitate to even engage with this True Rubery, but you need to bring some evidence. Maybe you could start by showing where Fauci or Biden ever said, one single time, that if you got the vaccines that were developed that you wouldn’t get Covid.

I note, on this point, that you said “word for word.” So I presume you have this at hand.

Easy. This took two seconds. You could've looked it up yourself



Biden said this publicly on multiple occasions. The liberal media echo chamber said it every where for awhile when they were trying to convince everyone to get vaccinated

[randylahey]

"lab leak" and "lab made" are very much not the same thing... Right?

Lab leak refers to a lab manipulated virus escaping the confines of said lab

Mjl, don't listen to that crap. I doubt the guy who think he knows more than one of, if not the most preeminent infectious disease physician in the world, has ever worked in a lab. A "lab leak" is a "leak", whether what's leaked has been manipulated, or not.

Pro tip randy: Ignorant unsubstantiated post after ignorant unsubstantiated post doesn't convince anyone who isn't already in your cult.

Are you talking about faucci? He knows more about infectious disease than any of us on here. Ive never claimed otherwise. All ive said is that he has been lying. We all know he has lied repeatedly for years now, because of his involvement in this catastrophe

[randylahey]

I think he misspoke...as he'sprone to do...especially since he correctly described the vaccines efficacy twice prior.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics ... index.html

Not nearly as damning as dipshit is trying to make it seem.

Absolutely died laughing at this post. A Democrat politician can lie out their ass with propaganda based statements/untested science and you really are gonna have the audacity to say he "misspoke"

LMAOOOO

And then it gets even better, you quote a cnn article in the same post. Priceless. Thank you for posting

[defixione]

And you still don't understand science.

[pdub]

Biden was wrong to say that.
But continue to meltdown.

Its like Yesufu scored an open three pointer and he’s told you so’ing.

[KUTradition]

It's not unspeakable; it can be investigated while still understanding that it may not be the origin. But that guy is just chumming the waters with his predictable Trumpism claims. It's Trumper buzzword bingo for guys like that in every comment they make.

and randy laps it up

Curious that they are ignoring the fact that the Department of Energy report clearly stated that they believed that the leak was unintentional. So shocking that they pick and choose which parts of the claim are valid and which are not depending solely on whether they support their personal opinions.

no different than his comment about intelligence community comments and motive

he chooses to hear and believe what he wants

he’s special