COVID-19 - On the Ground

[TDub]

Yall ready for H5N8?

[Deleted User 289]

If you are against over generalizations and stereotyping of people then stand by it.
Otherwise you got nothin' at the table when arguing against Lobster/Walrus/HouseDivided/Count/dolomite when they make claims of the same sort.

65% of the US are Christian.
I'd wager under 5% of those are actually trying to pray away the COVID.

In other words, about 10 million people?
Hey, as I often say, if it's working for them - fantastic!
If it's not - sucks to be them - and then sucks for people like myself who may catch the virus from them because of their "logic" in believing they can pray away the virus.

[ousdahl]

In terms of pandemic spread, not sure who’s condoning any of that other stuff either.

The only reason I didn’t go to any BLM protests personally was pandemic risk.

Bullshit. I read article after article about how 0 cases were tied to the protests. So either thats a ton of bullshit or the virus doesnt spread.....which obviously it does

How many protests feature everyone sticking their hand in the same bowl of water and eating from the same tray of crackers and drinking from the same cup as an essential element of the protest? And indoors, at that.

[ousdahl]

I remember being grossed out by the whole “blood of Christ” thing growing up. Among other reasons, I thought drinking out of the same cup as 100s of other congregants might give me cooties. I recall numerous priests, other churchgoers, my own parents assuring me I couldn’t possibly get cooties, cuz that cup had been blessed, and no way the good lord would let all his faithful believers get sick from it.

[TDub]

So your issue is with catholicism...specifically communion. Are all these churches catholic?

[zsn]

Churches are disproportionately responsible for the pandemic ? Im not religious, my church is the woods....but thqt seems like quite a stretch .

How are they anymore responsible than people who protests the lockdowns, who protests police brutality, who celebrate the lakers win, qho gathet foe Thanksgiving, who celebrate bidens win.

There is a lot of responsiblility to pass around.

Perhaps, but several pastors have been particularly responsible. I’m sure that there’re plenty of examples.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... erspreader

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ader-event

[ousdahl]

So your issue is with catholicism...specifically communion. Are all these churches catholic?

The Catholic diocese of Brooklyn is one of the plaintiffs mentioned. The other is a Jewish organization.

Without knowing specifics, I’ll guess that Jewish organization might have some kooky practices that might undermine public health too.

Heck, at the very least, if they’re shaking hands and hugging, and not wearing masks or social distancing, cuz they maintain faith that god will protect them, that could be a public health hazard right there.

I remember a story that a particular outbreak was traced to Jewish communities in Brooklyn. The Jewish plaintiff complains that they think the state is singling them out. So the question at hand is whether they’re being singled out as a matter of assault on religious freedom, or being singled out cuz their practices in particular are disproportionately contributing to the spread of a virus.

So to answer your question, I suppose my issue is not just with Catholicism, but with anyone who cites “faith” as an appropriate alternative to actual health precautions. Just seems risky, don’t it? And where will that line ultimately be drawn?

But this is also tricky, cuz in the legal vacuum of this case, I’m not sure exactly where that line should be drawn between certain businesses that can remain open, and religious gatherings that can’t.

[ousdahl]

Oh!

There’s also the “WWJD” argument:

Matthew 6:5-6

[jhawks99]

The hospital floor that Mrs 99 works on converted to a covid floor last night.

[twocoach]

Churches are disproportionately responsible for the pandemic ? Im not religious, my church is the woods....but thqt seems like quite a stretch .

How are they anymore responsible than people who protests the lockdowns, who protests police brutality, who celebrate the lakers win, qho gathet foe Thanksgiving, who celebrate bidens win.

There is a lot of responsiblility to pass around.

How? They are:

1) Indoors. People are much less likely to share air for an extended period of time with an infected person if you are outdoors and your air is constantly being replaced with fresh air. Everything you mentioned was outdoors except for the Thanksgiving gatherings, which have also been ruled to be similarly risky.
2) Have people sitting relatively stationary for an extended period of time. If a person around them is infected, they will be sharing the air with them for an extended period of time. People are rarely next to the same people at a protest for any extended period of time.
3) Frequently contain singing and/or loud speaking by the majority of the group. Again, not really a problem if outdoors with good air circulation. Indoors while stationary is a problem.
4) Common exit place/time/surfaces. When the other events you mentioned end, people go all over the place at different times. When church is over, everyone gets up at the same time, runs their hands over the backs of the same pews and crams down the same aisle to get to the same exit, leaving their cloud of COVID infected air in the exit for everyone behind them to walk through.

[Deleted User 289]

The hospital floor that Mrs 99 works on converted to a covid floor last night.

Is she staying on the covid floor or will she be assigned to a different one?

[TDub]

Churches are disproportionately responsible for the pandemic ? Im not religious, my church is the woods....but thqt seems like quite a stretch .

How are they anymore responsible than people who protests the lockdowns, who protests police brutality, who celebrate the lakers win, qho gathet foe Thanksgiving, who celebrate bidens win.

There is a lot of responsiblility to pass around.

How? They are:

1) Indoors. People are much less likely to share air for an extended period of time with an infected person if you are outdoors and your air is constantly being replaced with fresh air. Everything you mentioned was outdoors except for the Thanksgiving gatherings, which have also been ruled to be similarly risky.
2) Have people sitting relatively stationary for an extended period of time. If a person around them is infected, they will be sharing the air with them for an extended period of time. People are rarely next to the same people at a protest for any extended period of time.
3) Frequently contain singing and/or loud speaking by the majority of the group. Again, not really a problem if outdoors with good air circulation. Indoors while stationary is a problem.
4) Common exit place/time/surfaces. When the other events you mentioned end, people go all over the place at different times. When church is over, everyone gets up at the same time, runs their hands over the backs of the same pews and crams down the same aisle to get to the same exit, leaving their cloud of COVID infected air in the exit for everyone behind them to walk through.

Ah yes.

Because Thanksgiving gatherings are always outdoors.

Marches arent shoulder to shoulder.

No chanting or yelling at marches.

No singing or talking allowed at other gatherings.

Of course people dont enter and exit at the same location at every store and grocery store.

Obviously Churches have contributed. But its silly to to say that they bear a majority of the responsibility. It was just a weird hard line to draw by ous

[jhawks99]

The hospital floor that Mrs 99 works on converted to a covid floor last night.

Is she staying on the covid floor or will she be assigned to a different one?

She'll be charge nurse there.

[twocoach]

Churches are disproportionately responsible for the pandemic ? Im not religious, my church is the woods....but thqt seems like quite a stretch .

How are they anymore responsible than people who protests the lockdowns, who protests police brutality, who celebrate the lakers win, qho gathet foe Thanksgiving, who celebrate bidens win.

There is a lot of responsiblility to pass around.

How? They are:

1) Indoors. People are much less likely to share air for an extended period of time with an infected person if you are outdoors and your air is constantly being replaced with fresh air. Everything you mentioned was outdoors except for the Thanksgiving gatherings, which have also been ruled to be similarly risky.
2) Have people sitting relatively stationary for an extended period of time. If a person around them is infected, they will be sharing the air with them for an extended period of time. People are rarely next to the same people at a protest for any extended period of time.
3) Frequently contain singing and/or loud speaking by the majority of the group. Again, not really a problem if outdoors with good air circulation. Indoors while stationary is a problem.
4) Common exit place/time/surfaces. When the other events you mentioned end, people go all over the place at different times. When church is over, everyone gets up at the same time, runs their hands over the backs of the same pews and crams down the same aisle to get to the same exit, leaving their cloud of COVID infected air in the exit for everyone behind them to walk through.

Ah yes.

Because Thanksgiving gatherings are always outdoors.

Marches arent shoulder to shoulder.

No chanting or yelling at marches.

No singing or talking allowed at other gatherings.

Of course people dont enter and exit at the same location at every store and grocery store.

Obviously Churches have contributed. But its silly to to say that they bear a majority of the responsibility. It was just a weird hard line to draw by ous

As I said, indoor Thanksgiving gatherings are urged to be immediate family only. My family of 4 gathered with other family members and had our Thanksgiving outside on the deck with 5 other people and wore masks at all times that we weren't eating.

Yes people use the same exits at a grocery store. They don't all leave at the exact same time.

This is what compromise is, people. You can either try to limit the most at-risk behaviors and locations while working to reduce the risk or you can lock everything the fuck down. If people want more surgical, targeted changes vs a blanket shut down then people need to actually use their brains and recognize the different factors that have been identified as particularly risky. Some of the "this vs. this" choices are just dumb but the vast majority make sense. Reduce indoor activities where people sit stationary around the same people for extended periods of time while exerting an excessive amount of air via singing or yelling and you reduce the amount of cases.

We've been at this for 8 months now, there's enough knowledge out there to see what they're trying to do and why. It's not an attack on religion, it's an attempt to aid public safety.

[Deleted User 289]

The hospital floor that Mrs 99 works on converted to a covid floor last night.

Is she staying on the covid floor or will she be assigned to a different one?

She'll be charge nurse there.

Wow! Wishing her (and you) good thoughts!

[Cascadia]

Yeah, but religious people are dumb. They believe in an imaginary friend.

[jhawks99]

Is she staying on the covid floor or will she be assigned to a different one?

She'll be charge nurse there.

Wow! Wishing her (and you) good thoughts!

Thanks. She's growing up.

[pdub]

There is a slippery slope when it comes to telling people where and what they can do when what they are doing have peaceful intentions.

I realize they should NOT be doing what they are doing but they should have the freedom to do so. Or at least shouldn’t be targeted differently than other groups when it comes to x amount of people.

This is all said from someone who doesn’t practice religion but doesn’t have some weird hatred that others on here do. Imagine if the people here who hate religious people had the same hate to people who were gay.

[sdoyel]

This shit is criminal.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp

[Cascadia]

There is a slippery slope when it comes to telling people where and what they can do when what they are doing have peaceful intentions.

I realize they should NOT be doing what they are doing but they should have the freedom to do so. Or at least shouldn’t be targeted differently than other groups when it comes to x amount of people.

This is all said from someone who doesn’t practice religion but doesn’t have some weird hatred that others on here do. Imagine if the people here who hate religious people had the same hate to people who were gay.

Being gay isn’t a choice