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The dajuan situation this season kind of reminds me when jeff hawkins was our starting point guard in 05/06 or whatever year. He was way more experienced so we looked better and were more comfortable with him on the floor early in the season. but he was basically just a place holder until the new more talented players figured out the system and beat him out
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Maybe he improves in the offseason.
Harris is getting 27 mpg. I don't think that dramatically changes this year.

We wont have Remy and we dont have a PG coming in.
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randylahey wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:02 pm yesefu has gotten worse in the sense that early in the season he at least had some confidence and swagger. would attack the rim and knock down a few threes. he has no confidence or rhythm right now. he came in expecting to play more and we expected more from him
Knock down "a few threes"?

He's made 3 all year.

Dajuan Harris has a higher career 3pt shooting % than Yesufu.

Yesufu was an insurance policy in case we didn't get Remy. He's a volume shooter who is never going to get 10+ shots per game at KU like he did at Drake. He's got a ways to go before he's taking minutes from anyone.
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randylahey wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:13 pm The dajuan situation this season kind of reminds me when jeff hawkins was our starting point guard in 05/06 or whatever year. He was way more experienced so we looked better and were more comfortable with him on the floor early in the season. but he was basically just a place holder until the new more talented players figured out the system and beat him out
Yesufu ain't Mario Chalmers. Totally different situations.

DH and Yesufu are the same age. He isn't really a younger less experienced player.

If we reduce DH minutes I think it's more likely we shit minutes around to fit more JCL and Clemence in, or if JW has turned a corner he's going to take some too. Yesufu is not going to happen this year as a small guard. That's Remy's role.
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BasketballJayhawk wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:40 pm
randylahey wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:13 pm The dajuan situation this season kind of reminds me when jeff hawkins was our starting point guard in 05/06 or whatever year. He was way more experienced so we looked better and were more comfortable with him on the floor early in the season. but he was basically just a place holder until the new more talented players figured out the system and beat him out
Yesufu ain't Mario Chalmers. Totally different situations.

DH and Yesufu are the same age. He isn't really a younger less experienced player.

If we reduce DH minutes I think it's more likely we shit minutes around to fit more JCL and Clemence in, or if JW has turned a corner he's going to take some too. Yesufu is not going to happen this year as a small guard. That's Remy's role.
Both a typo and the story of our season so far.
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randylahey wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:06 pm but its pretty simple why dajuan plays over him. self trusts him more. dajuan plays d the way self wants, moves the ball, and knows the offense. but what did dajuan really do to earn that trust? was it high level play last year? no. we were shitty last year and he played cause he had to. so dajuan became experienced in selfs system because there was no better option. there are better options this year. give them a chance to gain some experience. this team is better than last years, but we depend a lot on shooting. shooters get better shots when they are out there with playmakers. dajuan is not a playmaker, he is a role player
But this is the story of the last several years. You can have security blanket guys. But you also must have better guys. See 2007-08, when Russell Robinson would give way to Sherron at winning time.

The issue is that Self bet big - and justifiably so! - on Remy, and so far Remy's been more Selby than Sherron (sorry, it's true).

And of course, the need to bet big on Remy stems from the recruiting hangover that's just beginning to lift. There just hasn't been a lot of talent for a while, by our historical standards.
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I'm just a bit confused when people say this considering 2020.

It's as if we dont consider that a real season.
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And we "whiffed" on point, kind of.
TyTy went to UK.
I still think Remy will play well enough for us to be a top 10 team.
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Last decade+ NBA player is Devonte'? Maybe Svi. Udoka, Dotson, and MG don't look like they'll last long.

I could see Och, CB, and Clemence lasting a decade.
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:59 am Last decade+ NBA player is Devonte'? Maybe Svi. Udoka, Dotson, and MG don't look like they'll last long.

I could see Och, CB, and Clemence lasting a decade.
But it's also a volume thing. I wonder which of our teams had the most guys get an NBA minute. And I'll bet this team ends up bottom half by that metric.
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I don't see how it's not 2010.

But I also think this team with 3 would hold up better than you'd think. 4 would be good.
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Cole
Withey
TRob
Morris
Morris
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:15 am I don't see how it's not 2010.

But I also think this team with 3 would hold up better than you'd think. 4 would be good.
Would be fascinating to see data on historical results weighted by (college) minutes played by guys who eventually played an NBA minute. Guessing that will correlate quite heavily with that team's NCAA success.
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Wiggins year probably has the most simply because Wiggins almost never misses games in the NBA
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BasketballJayhawk wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:11 am Wiggins year probably has the most simply because Wiggins almost never misses games in the NBA
I meant the inverse. Like, Cole counts a lot more for our 08-09 and 09-10 teams than he does the 07-08 team.
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2014 had quite a few NBA minutes.

Wiggs
Embiid
Black
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Did White ever play an actual NBA minute? I know he's been on a few Summer League teams and spent time in the G League.
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Here’s your friendly reminder Self has never made a final four with fewer than four future NBA players on the roster
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Begs the questions if we call Malik Newman an NBA player. That situation is like the movie The Replacements.
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