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i'm not concerned about a ww3 coming from this.
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Would you be if it turned out to indeed be a Russian missile fired into Poland as initially reported, rather than the ol’ bait-and-switch propaganda?
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If Russia wasn't sending waves of missiles into a sovereign nation...would Ukraine still be firing Anti-aircraft and missile interception projectiles?
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um...yes? There then would be the possibility of Article V being invoked.
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if you feel like you got the bait-and-switch treatment, maybe you should be evaluating your sources (sound familiar?)
nearly all of the coverage i read deliberately hesitated to blame russia. in fact, DailyMail is the only one i can recall that actually said it was russian missiles…and even that story reneged on the claim (made in the headline) in the body of the text
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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Oh, I evaluate my sources. Like I've maintained all along, I'm skeptical of everything in this thread.
FWIW, it was Zelensky himself who claimed it was a Russian missile fired into Poland....
(...apparently. I dunno, I don't speak Ukrainian)
and, just reading the tweeter tea leaves (awful, I know), but the popular sentiment seemed to quickly go from "definitely Russia who did it" to "even if Ukraine did it it's still Russia's fault"
FWIW, it was Zelensky himself who claimed it was a Russian missile fired into Poland....
(...apparently. I dunno, I don't speak Ukrainian)
and, just reading the tweeter tea leaves (awful, I know), but the popular sentiment seemed to quickly go from "definitely Russia who did it" to "even if Ukraine did it it's still Russia's fault"
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i never read Z’s statementousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:12 pm Oh, I evaluate my sources. Like I've maintained all along, I'm skeptical of everything in this thread.
FWIW, it was Zelensky himself who claimed it was a Russian missile fired into Poland....
(...apparently. I dunno, I don't speak Ukrainian)
and, just reading the tweeter tea leaves (awful, I know), but the popular sentiment seemed to quickly go from "definitely Russia who did it" to "even if Ukraine did it it's still Russia's fault"
i also didn’t get that as the “popular sentiment”, but whatever
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do you even know what Article V is?
Have we fallen into a mesmerized state that makes us accept as inevitable that which is inferior or detrimental, as though having lost the will or the vision to demand that which is good?
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most everything wrong in this world is russias fault.
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yes?
if you'd sincerely like to "determine exactly what the rockets were and who's they were and how it happened prior" and you sincerely "hope they review and have 100% confirmation on where the rocketa came from," then realize Ukrainians were bombing other Ukrainians for years before Russia invaded. Realize there's little oversight of Ukraine's forces, and we really don't know what's ultimately becoming of all these guns and missiles and such gifted by you and me. Realize Ukraine has been a notorious humanitarian crisis for a while now.
Again, NOT THAT THAT JUSTIFIES THE RUSSIAN INVASION!!!!!
and again again, the thing is, I'm just not sure that justifies blindly flooding Ukraine with weapons for years, either. But I know that's just not a popular detail to consider. It's so much easier to just give Ukraine the benefit of the doubt.
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it's our duty as Americans to hate russia.
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Wait wait....just so I got this straight.ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:20 pmyes?
if you'd sincerely like to "determine exactly what the rockets were and who's they were and how it happened prior" and you sincerely "hope they review and have 100% confirmation on where the rocketa came from," then realize Ukrainians were bombing other Ukrainians for years before Russia invaded. Realize there's little oversight of Ukraine's forces, and we really don't know what's ultimately becoming of all these guns and missiles and such gifted by you and me. Realize Ukraine has been a notorious humanitarian crisis for a while now.
Again, NOT THAT THAT JUSTIFIES THE RUSSIAN INVASION!!!!!
and again again, the thing is, I'm just not sure that justifies blindly flooding Ukraine with weapons for years, either. But I know that's just not a popular detail to consider. It's so much easier to just give Ukraine the benefit of the doubt.
If Russia wasn't attacking Ukraine and sending in waves of missiles and aircraft.....
Ukraine would still be send up missile interceptors and anti-aircraft defense missiles?
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"Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked."
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm
sooo what's the error range on Ukrainian missiles?
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almost every movie. television show. the bad guys are almost always russians.
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Also, just for the sake of clarity.ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:20 pmyes?
if you'd sincerely like to "determine exactly what the rockets were and who's they were and how it happened prior" and you sincerely "hope they review and have 100% confirmation on where the rocketa came from," then realize Ukrainians were bombing other Ukrainians for years before Russia invaded. Realize there's little oversight of Ukraine's forces, and we really don't know what's ultimately becoming of all these guns and missiles and such gifted by you and me. Realize Ukraine has been a notorious humanitarian crisis for a while now.
Again, NOT THAT THAT JUSTIFIES THE RUSSIAN INVASION!!!!!
and again again, the thing is, I'm just not sure that justifies blindly flooding Ukraine with weapons for years, either. But I know that's just not a popular detail to consider. It's so much easier to just give Ukraine the benefit of the doubt.
Lets pretend that Ukraine has been bombing Russia before the war started.
How do you think the missiles still wouldve ended up in Poland.
You DO realize Poland doesn't border Russia right? So Ukraine wouldve has to miss Russia by about 90 degrees to hit Poland.
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Pot commited. you cant turn back. So instead you pour more crazy onto the pile.
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