F the NCAA

[hartjack8]

Lord pick and choose what you read and what you want to vilify

Attorneys for Ford and Prime Sports had alleged that North Carolina’s athlete agent law should not apply to Williamson because Williamson and his family had accepted improper financial benefits while he was still enrolled at Duke. Ford’s attorney’s filed an affidavit alleging a $400,000 payment was made to Williamson’s family before the former Duke star began his lone college season.

Now the judge sided with Zion, basically part of it saying not his job to say whether he was NCAA eligible or enforce NCAA rules.



https://www.nba.com/news/judge-sides-wi ... ting-agent

[Deleted User 289]

Good for him for speaking his mind.
https://sports.yahoo.com/rutgers-senior ... 29327.html

[Deleted User 89]

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... a-athletes

[Deleted User 863]

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... a-athletes

Nice.

[jfish26]

[jfish26]

Jalen Johnson Broke Everybody’s Brains

https://defector.com/jalen-johnson-brok ... ys-brains/

Jimmy Dykes, while I was attempting to enjoy a game between the second- and fourth-place teams in the SEC, kicked into this whole angry spiel in the first half that I think had to be pre-written, given how he ignored Ravech saying “checked out” and began his rant by railing against the term “opt out.”

[transcript of Dykes' comments, with video link]

If you don’t watch the video, though, you’ll miss one crucial part of this whole clown show: the transition to Dykes’s face being shown on camera, revealing that this is a middle-aged white dude in a cozy work-from-home setup impugning the character of an unpaid black teen whose not-a-job requires him to travel the country in the middle of a pandemic.

I keep mentioning how unsurprised I am to hear all this, because these are pretty standard takes that pop up whenever a college kid puts his future ahead of his present—perhaps augmented, in this case, by the unconventional timing of this choice and the fact that Johnson once transferred from his Wisconsin high school to a Florida basketball factory but quickly returned without playing a game for IMG. But this year, in this inferior excuse for a college basketball season, the undisguised lack of empathy is all the more striking.

As Shane Smith of the Duke Chronicle noted in his column on the controversy, Johnson is a 19-year-old who, in order to keep the games rolling, has been forced to isolate in the same hotel room for months now, without even a paycheck to show for it. He, along with thousands of other college athletes, have been stripped of all their human interactions that do not directly make the NCAA money, and Johnson’s been sacrificing that necessity so he can audition for the pros on a mediocre team in a building with no fans. It’s certainly not what he pictured when he decided to go to Duke, and if his foot injury could be even the slightest hindrance to millions of dollars in the very near future, he’d be a fool to risk anything just to show off his skills in some NIT qualifiers.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Jimmy Dykes is such a clown.

And, maybe mentioned elsewhere in that article, has made millions off CBB.

[holidaysmore]

While I certainly won't argue the sentiment behind the article my biggest pet peeve is that CBB and CFB players aren't getting paid. They are 100% getting paid compared to their non student athlete counter parts. They get a stipend. They get free meals. They get free apparel. They get to live in much nicer places. They get FREE tuition. There travel accommodations are nicer. In college towns they are looked at as stars which allows them free perks that can't be quantified. Hell, the network they could build with rich donors who could help them out later in life. You tell the college kid who is working two jobs just to afford rent and tuition that these guys aren't getting 'paid'. I really hope the whole athletic support staff at Wagnon are telling these kids to use EVERY resource that is given them because they are high profile to help set them up for success later in life.

Now if you are a Manziel, or Tebow, someone like that who is a once in a generation type athlete who completely transcends not only your team but the University you have my ears as to why you deserve to be compensated well beyond what you are receiving as a student athlete.

[pdub]

Good luck holidaysmore.
If you keep arguing your point, they'll just eventually call you racist.

[CrimsonNBlue]

While I certainly won't argue the sentiment behind the article my biggest pet peeve is that CBB and CFB players aren't getting paid. They are 100% getting paid compared to their non student athlete counter parts. They get a stipend. They get free meals. They get free apparel. They get to live in much nicer places. They get FREE tuition. There travel accommodations are nicer. In college towns they are looked at as stars which allows them free perks that can't be quantified. Hell, the network they could build with rich donors who could help them out later in life. You tell the college kid who is working two jobs just to afford rent and tuition that these guys aren't getting 'paid'. I really hope the whole athletic support staff at Wagnon are telling these kids to use EVERY resource that is given them because they are high profile to help set them up for success later in life.

Sure. Of course, the argument has never been that student athletes are getting nothing.

[holidaysmore]

Hahaha, pdub. If it comes to race then I guess I missed my point some how. I guess I am the cranky old, washed dude who is looking back on my own life and opportunities I missed out on. Eventually in life you either control your situation or you will spend the rest of your life blaming others for your lack of success. I just hope that these young men and women, especially these young African American athletes don't waste a golden opportunity to better themselves and build a better future for their lives.

I would like to add I am not against players using their 'brand' to help them out financially. I am all for that and good freaking luck NCAA and schools managing that but this narrative that college athletes are some sort of starved, non compensated poor little children needs to stop because it just isn't simply true.

Example would be and certainly on the extreme and completely misguided end the athlete from a school I can't remember who said that college athletes are 'modern' slaves.

[ousdahl]

I think the issue may be that there are likely thousands of D1 student ath-o-letes with a fair market value beyond the perks you mentioned, particularly in football and basketball.

The once in a generation guys are obviously even more valued yet, but it’s not like it’s limited to them.

[pdub]

This happens everywhere, at every point, in every business.
Including college - where some professors are heavily underpaid - or particular to this instance, where talented students work for cents on the dime as interns, understudies, TA's, researchers.
The opportunities are there for them to find another position - as is the same for these athletes - professional leagues are not just limited to the NBA.

As far as the 'modern' slaves approach - look back on this thread and a couple long term contributors have inferred that/linked to that.

[Cascadia]

While I certainly won't argue the sentiment behind the article my biggest pet peeve is that CBB and CFB players aren't getting paid. They are 100% getting paid compared to their non student athlete counter parts. They get a stipend. They get free meals. They get free apparel. They get to live in much nicer places. They get FREE tuition. There travel accommodations are nicer. In college towns they are looked at as stars which allows them free perks that can't be quantified. Hell, the network they could build with rich donors who could help them out later in life. You tell the college kid who is working two jobs just to afford rent and tuition that these guys aren't getting 'paid'. I really hope the whole athletic support staff at Wagnon are telling these kids to use EVERY resource that is given them because they are high profile to help set them up for success later in life.

Now if you are a Manziel, or Tebow, someone like that who is a once in a generation type athlete who completely transcends not only your team but the University you have my ears as to why you deserve to be compensated well beyond what you are receiving as a student athlete.

This is similar to my argument.

I'm not against student athletes getting paid.

However, if you do want to go the route of paying college athletes then you should take away the stipend, meals, apparel, tuition, tutoring, travel expenses, housing, etc. They can pay for that our of their own pocket like everyone else. We tell regular college students to get a job, athletes will now have a job and they can get the best deal for them.

My real issue with this argument is the disingenuous nature of those who fully support compensating college athletes.

[pdub]

"...athletes will now have a job and they can get the best deal for them."

And in that case, the product would actually get worse, which is one argument for paying the athletes.
Practices missed. Classes skipped. Focus on making money on the external job rather than playing college basketball - for a few years when you are young - with all your immediate needs and some taken care of.

[Cascadia]

"...athletes will now have a job and they can get the best deal for them."

And in that case, the product would actually get worse, which is one argument for paying the athletes.
Practices missed. Classes skipped. Focus on making money on the external job rather than playing college basketball - for a few years when you are young - with all your immediate needs and some taken care of.

I disagree. I'm not sure it can get much worse than it is today.

[CrimsonNBlue]

While I certainly won't argue the sentiment behind the article my biggest pet peeve is that CBB and CFB players aren't getting paid. They are 100% getting paid compared to their non student athlete counter parts. They get a stipend. They get free meals. They get free apparel. They get to live in much nicer places. They get FREE tuition. There travel accommodations are nicer. In college towns they are looked at as stars which allows them free perks that can't be quantified. Hell, the network they could build with rich donors who could help them out later in life. You tell the college kid who is working two jobs just to afford rent and tuition that these guys aren't getting 'paid'. I really hope the whole athletic support staff at Wagnon are telling these kids to use EVERY resource that is given them because they are high profile to help set them up for success later in life.

Now if you are a Manziel, or Tebow, someone like that who is a once in a generation type athlete who completely transcends not only your team but the University you have my ears as to why you deserve to be compensated well beyond what you are receiving as a student athlete.

This is similar to my argument.

I'm not against student athletes getting paid.

However, if you do want to go the route of paying college athletes then you should take away the stipend, meals, apparel, tuition, tutoring, travel expenses, housing, etc. They can pay for that our of their own pocket like everyone else. We tell regular college students to get a job, athletes will now have a job and they can get the best deal for them.

At least with NIL, that would be akin to telling an academic scholar that receives room + board + grants for travel/competition, etc. that they aren't allowed to use their skills to get compensated in a job outside of the school. That is, of course, absurd and not the rule. That's a big problem with the NCAA's position, particularly with NIL, is that they say student athletes should be treated like all other students but then make rules which singles them out.

[holidaysmore]

It seems we can all agree that compensation for athletes is a good idea but how that is managed and run is beyond me. What I do know, when that takes place that will be the end of college sports as we know it.

[pdub]

"...athletes will now have a job and they can get the best deal for them."

And in that case, the product would actually get worse, which is one argument for paying the athletes.
Practices missed. Classes skipped. Focus on making money on the external job rather than playing college basketball - for a few years when you are young - with all your immediate needs and some taken care of.

I disagree. I'm not sure it can get much worse than it is today.

Don't know how you can look at the Kansas team last year led by senior Udoka and sophomore Devon Dotson or the Nova team from a couple years ago and say that, but OK.

[pdub]

It seems we can all agree that compensation for athletes is a good idea but how that is managed and run is beyond me. What I do know, when that takes place that will be the end of college sports as we know it.

Agreed.