F the NCAA

[ousdahl]

Remember when KU fans were optimistic that our abundance of caution and good faith compliance would afford a “time served” and be done with it?

Simpler times…

[CrimsonNBlue]

The thing is, though, the original thread bump was about NIL announcement yesterday and now talking about KU/TCU and the Dawkins, et al. trial--they aren't unrelated by any means.

It sure seemed the original strategy was deny, fight, and wait for the NIL winds to blow in KU's direction. It definitely feels like that path.

[Deleted User 89]

If KT takes the spear.....so be it

^^^^^

he was sloppy

Well in terms of punishment, it is or should be all relevant. In the very worst light, the interpretation can suggest that KT had knowledge of 3rd party cash going to 2 recruits that in one case never played a second of basketball for KU and another that was held out and re-held out as soon as the NCAA notified KU.

Compare that to the old TCU coach and Jaylen Fisher--KU is a big name, but was by far not the worst actor considering the (highly suspect) evidence, some of which was not admissible and therefore not considered by fact finders.

oh, i agree...the punishment should fit the crime, based on precedent

but he ncaa isn’t logical

[CrimsonNBlue]

Sure, but they are at "Finish Him!!" level health in Mortal Kombat.

[jfish26]

^^^^^

he was sloppy

Well in terms of punishment, it is or should be all relevant. In the very worst light, the interpretation can suggest that KT had knowledge of 3rd party cash going to 2 recruits that in one case never played a second of basketball for KU and another that was held out and re-held out as soon as the NCAA notified KU.

Compare that to the old TCU coach and Jaylen Fisher--KU is a big name, but was by far not the worst actor considering the (highly suspect) evidence, some of which was not admissible and therefore not considered by fact finders.

oh, i agree...the punishment should fit the crime, based on precedent

but he ncaa isn’t logical

Oh it's plenty logical, when you're realistic about what its true goals and motivations are.

But, it couldn't stop at getting fat. It had to get slaughtered.

[Deleted User 89]

so, what’s an “appropriate” punishment for KT?

[jfish26]

so, what’s an “appropriate” punishment for KT?

I'm not sure hanging onto a mid-six-figure job for a few years past your expiration date, all so you're around to die at the right time, is all that much of a punishment.

[Deleted User 89]

so, what’s an “appropriate” punishment for KT?

I'm not sure hanging onto a mid-six-figure job for a few years past your expiration date, all so you're around to die at the right time, is all that much of a punishment.

wonderful non-answer answer

[jfish26]

See, this is the sort of thing the NCAA needed to see coming. By not proactively doing something here, they're letting public sentiment creep way beyond NIL.

Mizzou quarterback wants to get paid for his likeness. It’s a crime he isn’t already

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/edit ... 50428.html

Allowing college athletes to make money with their names is an obvious and welcome step. But let’s be clear: It’s only an interim solution to the problem of poor compensation for so-called amateur athletes.

Congress, or the courts, will eventually have to step in to make sure athletes are fully compensated for their work.

[...]

[T]he biggest concern remains fundamental: College sports generate billions of dollars each year for coaches, administrators and athletic departments. Everyone connected with college sports, from the ticket-taker to the reporters who cover the games, earns money directly from the games.

Except, that is, the students who play them.

“The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America,” Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote in an NCAA case this month. “The NCAA is not above the law.”

Seen in that light, merely permitting the sale of NIL rights is pretty weak tea.

[...]

College athletes deserve an honest share of the revenue they produce. The NCAA has taken a small step in that direction, but Congress and the courts will have to take it from there.

[TDub]

"Fully compensated for their work"

Thats where the breakdown is on this issue, at least on this board.

[jfish26]

"Fully compensated for their work"

Thats where the breakdown is on this issue, at least on this board.

From my perspective, it's a "how" question. I personally don't feel that direct compensation (KU pays David McCormack) is necessary or even desirable. I do feel that KU needs to get the hell out of the way of him making money however he'd like, which - yes - likely means taking vastly less money from adidas etc.

[CrimsonNBlue]

We have hard evidence that there is money generated beyond the cost of attendance and student athletes want a piece of that pie. There is also hard evidence that the sources of that money are willing and, in some cases, are already transferring that money to them.

The only thing standing in the way is that the current NCAA rules says that is wrong according to its own definition of full compensation. "Take what we you give you and you will like it!"

Is implementation quite tricky? Yes, I don't know how you get it to work, but I have to say that the good businesses out there pay the owners last.

[TDub]

"Fully compensated for their work"

Thats where the breakdown is on this issue, at least on this board.

From my perspective, it's a "how" question. I personally don't feel that direct compensation (KU pays David McCormack) is necessary or even desirable. I do feel that KU needs to get the hell out of the way of him making money however he'd like, which - yes - likely means taking vastly less money from adidas etc.

Yes. But my point is, i think the sticking point is a multi faceted offshoot of this

1. Players ARE compensated, significantly, compared to standard students.

2. Even if KU doesnt directly pay them, but "boosters" can pay them significant sums for insignificant work/appearances/autographs then that completely changes the landscape of college sports.

3. Minor league sports suck.

[CrimsonNBlue]

"Fully compensated for their work"

Thats where the breakdown is on this issue, at least on this board.

From my perspective, it's a "how" question. I personally don't feel that direct compensation (KU pays David McCormack) is necessary or even desirable. I do feel that KU needs to get the hell out of the way of him making money however he'd like, which - yes - likely means taking vastly less money from adidas etc.

NLI was always the starting point because restricting it in the first place was logically, legally, and morally built on the shakiest of grounds.

Now that that will be out of the way, it will give a better idea of what else can or really needs to be done.

[jfish26]

"Fully compensated for their work"

Thats where the breakdown is on this issue, at least on this board.

From my perspective, it's a "how" question. I personally don't feel that direct compensation (KU pays David McCormack) is necessary or even desirable. I do feel that KU needs to get the hell out of the way of him making money however he'd like, which - yes - likely means taking vastly less money from adidas etc.

Yes. But my point is, i think the sticking point is a multi faceted offshoot of this

1. Players ARE compensated, significantly, compared to standard students.

2. Even if KU doesnt directly pay them, but "boosters" can pay them significant sums for insignificant work/appearances/autographs then that completely changes the landscape of college sports.

3. Minor league sports suck.

On #1 - and it's crazy to me that we're still arguing about this - no one is saying that the players are not compensated now. But, it's stupid (and, frankly, un-American) for anything except the market to determine what is "full" and "fair". And the present "compensation" will be (is) factored in.

As for #2 and #3 - tough shit. This is an adapt or die thing.

[Deleted User 863]

In regard to #2) did you see the interview Johnny Manziel did recently where he talks about going into a hotel room and signing hundreds of items for a guy who offered him cash?

[jfish26]

"Fully compensated for their work"

Thats where the breakdown is on this issue, at least on this board.

From my perspective, it's a "how" question. I personally don't feel that direct compensation (KU pays David McCormack) is necessary or even desirable. I do feel that KU needs to get the hell out of the way of him making money however he'd like, which - yes - likely means taking vastly less money from adidas etc.

NLI was always the starting point because restricting it in the first place was logically, legally, and morally built on the shakiest of grounds.

Now that that will be out of the way, it will give a better idea of what else can or really needs to be done.

And it may well be that NIL solves the problem.

[jfish26]

Also - do minor leagues really need to suck? SKC (and, I'd imagine Timbers) games are amazing. The fanbases are terrific. And those are very decidedly minor league.

[TDub]

They arent minor league for that sport. They arent farm systems for a higher level national league

[CrimsonNBlue]

MLS is very much a farm system.