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We may get Cockburn this season, but it won't be the Kofi kind.
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ousdahl wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:09 pm I just dunno if Self would be cool with that. He seems prone to going all bro crush on a guy like DMac.

I mean maybe it would mean a shorter leash for DMac for when he spazzes and we have legit depth at the 5, but a short leash also might fuck with Dave’s head irreparably…

Not to mention, when Dave is good, he’s good!
Kofi is better than Dave.
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:11 pm We may get Cockburn this season, but it won't be the Kofi kind.
Time to change the water in the Chi-O fountain
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Mitch campaigning via IG to become a barstoolsports athlete....so far the 30 or so barstool athletes seem to mostly be really attractive female athletes or male athletes with bigger names (than mitch) who play basketball/football/baseball.
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BasketballJayhawk wrote: Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:53 pm Assuming he is following the illini assistant to UK.
assistantS.
plural

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/5/6/2 ... hing-staff

Maybe Kupa Kofi follows another former Illness assistant (Stephen Gentry) to Gonzaga?
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This, friends, is a good take.

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NCAA ushering in the NIL era marks the beginning of the end for college athletes being treated unfairly

The NCAA wanted you to believe this day would be a nightmare, but it's exactly the opposite

https://www.cbssports.com/college-baske ... -unfairly/
[Y]es, all of this will very quickly be turned into a recruiting tool despite the fact that the NCAA says it's not allowed to be a recruiting tool; good luck enforcing that, by the way! Like it or not, high school prospects will sometimes pick a school based on where they know they can make the most money. And players will sometimes transfer to a place where they know they can make more money. And players who are considering transferring or turning pro will sometimes decide to stay put based on a promise of more deals and more money.

It's all fine with me.

The truth is that players have been making college decisions for similar reasons for decades -- just under the table and in violation of NCAA rules. This will merely bring everything into the light. And though I don't believe, like some do, that it'll lead to the biggest schools essentially buying the perceived best players, I also don't care if it does. The biggest schools already buy the perceived best athletic directors, coaches and trainers, so I've never understood why the line should be drawn at the players. But, again, I don't believe NIL rights will just widen the gap between the top of the sport and everybody else as much as I believe NIL rights will give second-tier programs a new way to actually compete with top-tier programs.

Question: What's more profitable -- being the fifth-best recruit at Kentucky or the top recruit at Ole Miss? For the past decade-plus, if a borderline top-50 prospect was being recruited by Kentucky and Ole Miss, he'd almost certainly pick Kentucky even if he were the least-heralded prospect in UK's class and unlikely to play as a freshman. But, in this new world, the smarter move for that exact prospect might be to pick Ole Miss over Kentucky, become the prize of the Rebels' recruiting class, start as a freshman and cash-in with Allen Samuels Jeep Ram of Oxford or some other car dealership in the area.

These are the types of things that'll now be weighed.

And guess what? Everything will be OK.

Alabama and Auburn will still play football in sold-out stadiums, Duke and North Carolina will still play basketball in sold-out arenas, and the same people who have been watching Olivia Dunne flip will continue to watch Olivia Dunne flip. Despite what the NCAA has long insisted, the fact that student-athletes have finally been given nearly the same rights to compensation that all other students possess won't impact the way we watch and enjoy college sports in any tangible way.

Bottom line, the boogey man is here -- but he's not as scary as they swore he'd be. So don't let anybody tell you this landmark day represents the beginning of the end of college athletics -- because it's not that at all. It's just the beginning of the end of college athletes being treated unfairly and limited in ways that have long been immoral and arguably illegal.
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I disagree with the first premise in his title.

But, he's right:
[Y]es, all of this will very quickly be turned into a recruiting tool despite the fact that the NCAA says it's not allowed to be a recruiting tool; good luck enforcing that, by the way!
And he's grossly underestimating the problems that will cause.
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PhDhawk wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:15 am I disagree with the first premise in his title.

But, he's right:
[Y]es, all of this will very quickly be turned into a recruiting tool despite the fact that the NCAA says it's not allowed to be a recruiting tool; good luck enforcing that, by the way!
And he's grossly underestimating the problems that will cause.
What's the absolute worst-case scenario?

All the talent accumulates at a small handful of programs?
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jfish26 wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:40 am
PhDhawk wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:15 am I disagree with the first premise in his title.

But, he's right:
[Y]es, all of this will very quickly be turned into a recruiting tool despite the fact that the NCAA says it's not allowed to be a recruiting tool; good luck enforcing that, by the way!
And he's grossly underestimating the problems that will cause.
What's the absolute worst-case scenario?

All the talent accumulates at a small handful of programs?
I think it further erodes the connection between the University and the teams. To what extent, I'm not sure, but it's going to have an impact. The weaker that connection, the less I'm interested.
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Well, isn’t this article suggesting it’ll have the opposite effect - give the Ole Misses a little more appeal vs going and being the 5th best recruit at UK?
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ousdahl wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:44 am Well, isn’t this article suggesting it’ll have the opposite effect - give the Ole Misses a little more appeal vs going and being the 5th best recruit at UK?
Yes, and that is the logical way to look at it.
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jfish26 wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:46 am
ousdahl wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:44 am Well, isn’t this article suggesting it’ll have the opposite effect - give the Ole Misses a little more appeal vs going and being the 5th best recruit at UK?
Yes, and that is the logical way to look at it.
I dont see how thats logical. It only works that way if Ole Miss boosters have deeper pockets. UK is still the bigger brand and will have more "endorsements" opportunities available....even at the 5th spot than at Ole Miss.
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TDub wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:48 am
jfish26 wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:46 am
ousdahl wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:44 am Well, isn’t this article suggesting it’ll have the opposite effect - give the Ole Misses a little more appeal vs going and being the 5th best recruit at UK?
Yes, and that is the logical way to look at it.
I dont see how thats logical. It only works that way if Ole Miss boosters have deeper pockets. UK is still the bigger brand and will have more "endorsements" opportunities available....even at the 5th spot than at Ole Miss.
Right, at some point there will be a cut off. It might not be before Ole Miss, but there will be a point where DI programs won't have the resources. That makes things like Loyola-Chicago making a F4 run a lot less common.

And I don't even rank that among my biggest concerns.
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I see it both ways.

Ben Simmons would have benefitted from NIL at LSU.
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PhDhawk wrote: Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:51 amThat makes things like Loyola-Chicago making a F4 run a lot less common.
Sign me up. 🤷
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We’re sort of learning as we go, but could it paradoxically make more Loyola runs possible?

If smaller schools actually have guys stick around 4 years and have experienced teams, since all the blue bloods are now gonna less college teams, and more just some combo farm league/local car dealer marketing agency with a buncha kids who don’t care about the game any more
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so, are the Ivy League schools going to become power houses? it would seem like they’ve got the deepest pocketed donors

or, is it going to be the schools associated with major metro areas (do to greater marketability of players)? are we going to see a return to dominance by UCLA?

or, will there really not be much noticeable change, and the blue bloods will keep doing their thing?
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That’s my gut feeling.

All this shit was already going on either way.

Just making it legit won’t change much, beyond the end of the keystone kop ncaa investigations
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