F the NCAA

[ousdahl]

Chalmers was all over the place. Miami said they would have taken him lotto, if they hadn’t already used their #2 pic on Super Cool Beas.

In fact, here’s an article from 3 days before the 08 draft:

Mario Chalmers, Kansas
Measurements: 6’1”, 190lbs., Age 22
Draft Express Rank: 5
ESPN Rank: 5
Projection: First Round
Synopsis: As the only guard in the draft to have a Gary Roberts Wednesday in his honor, Chalmers has a lot going for him, obviously. Like a few other guards here, he’s definitely been given the combo guard tag, despite not really having shooting guard size.

The knocks against him are numerous, hence the mention of a big talent drop off after Augustin, as he has a poor mid-range game, struggles to make his own shot, and projects as a back-up. Still, he might be the best defender in the entire draft class, is intelligent and fearless in his shot selection, and he has run the point for a National Champion.

He is a gamble in the lottery but has incredible value later in the first round, as his best fit is on a strong team as an instant contributor.

Interesting Fact: DX has him going 27th to New Orleans and ESPN has him going 12th to Sacramento—the largest difference in the two mocks.

[ousdahl]

And wasn’t Arthur supposed to go lotto, but some team started a rumor he had bad kidneys or some shit?

[jfish26]

Value is in the eye of the beholder, right?

I think there's a certain type of fan who thinks that our recruits and players should "value" KU just like the fan does/did.

That's simply unrealistic. The recruiting waters we swim in are filled (generally) with kids who see basketball (and, by extension, playing basketball in college) as transactional.

You can say you want fewer of those kids, and more kids whose "values" align with your own. But you're not going to compete for Big 12 titles with those, much less bigger prizes.

KU is a weird-ass program to choose to follow if you're in this for the purity of the game.

I think you might be talking more about the families and handlers and advisors surrounding these players than the players themselves.

If you loved riding roller coasters, and you got invited to ride them all the time and got to go the greatest roller coasters in the country, and then everyone convinced you that you should be getting paid to ride these roller coasters, you'd probably agree.

Doesn't mean you'd stop enjoying getting to ride amazind roller coasters.

Not sure I disagree. But I think the analogy misses the "stepping stone" aspect of this.

For most top-100 recruits, basketball is a way to get from point A to point C (even though getting to point C is hardly assured).

There are lots of point Bs. KU is one of them, arguably one of the best. For most top-level recruits (particularly ones without ties to the program or area), it's really not all that distinguishable (on the whole) from the other top-shelf college point B options.

So what are guys choosing on? At the top of the list would be coaching, exposure, team success, fan base, system fit, etc.

No matter what some folks around here want to believe, the intrinsic specialness of Lawrence or the KU experience (whatever that is) isn't going to move the needle with most top-100 recruits.

[PhDhawk]

You don't remember Chalmers being protected lotto?

Iirc espn had him like 13th. Almost everywhere that i remember had him top 20.

I remember him being projected as a 2nd rounder and thinking he was making a huge mistake by declaring.

Mario Chalmers, Kansas
Measurements: 6’1”, 190lbs., Age 22
Draft Express Rank: 5
ESPN Rank: 5
Projection: First Round
Synopsis: As the only guard in the draft to have a Gary Roberts Wednesday in his honor, Chalmers has a lot going for him, obviously. Like a few other guards here, he’s definitely been given the combo guard tag, despite not really having shooting guard size.

The knocks against him are numerous, hence the mention of a big talent drop off after Augustin, as he has a poor mid-range game, struggles to make his own shot, and projects as a back-up. Still, he might be the best defender in the entire draft class, is intelligent and fearless in his shot selection, and he has run the point for a National Champion.

He is a gamble in the lottery but has incredible value later in the first round, as his best fit is on a strong team as an instant contributor.

....

I can't find ESPNs mock draft, but i think they had him top 20.

Welp, there were probably a hundred mock drafts, and each with probably 25 different iterations.

He certainly wasn't drafted in the lottery, or even the first round, so I guess the mock drafts I saw, in the versions that I saw, were more accurate.

[Deleted User 863]

Interview with Chalmers...

QUESTION:

How close are you to making your final decision on whether to stay in school or stay in the draft?

CHALMERS:

I’m very close. I’ll probably make my final decision next week… I’m leaning towards staying (in the draft). I’ve been hearing a lot of good things, so I’ll probably stay in. (If I determine that I will be taken) in that top first round, anywhere between 15 and 25, I’m going to stay in (the draft).

[ousdahl]

I mean, repeating has appeal, but at the same time, if you win a natty and MOP, there’s not a whole lot more to accomplish at the college level.

[PhDhawk]

Value is in the eye of the beholder, right?

I think there's a certain type of fan who thinks that our recruits and players should "value" KU just like the fan does/did.

That's simply unrealistic. The recruiting waters we swim in are filled (generally) with kids who see basketball (and, by extension, playing basketball in college) as transactional.

You can say you want fewer of those kids, and more kids whose "values" align with your own. But you're not going to compete for Big 12 titles with those, much less bigger prizes.

KU is a weird-ass program to choose to follow if you're in this for the purity of the game.

I think you might be talking more about the families and handlers and advisors surrounding these players than the players themselves.

If you loved riding roller coasters, and you got invited to ride them all the time and got to go the greatest roller coasters in the country, and then everyone convinced you that you should be getting paid to ride these roller coasters, you'd probably agree.

Doesn't mean you'd stop enjoying getting to ride amazind roller coasters.

Not sure I disagree. But I think the analogy misses the "stepping stone" aspect of this.

For most top-100 recruits, basketball is a way to get from point A to point C (even though getting to point C is hardly assured).

There are lots of point Bs. KU is one of them, arguably one of the best. For most top-level recruits (particularly ones without ties to the program or area), it's really not all that distinguishable (on the whole) from the other top-shelf college point B options.

So what are guys choosing on? At the top of the list would be coaching, exposure, team success, fan base, system fit, etc.

No matter what some folks around here want to believe, the intrinsic specialness of Lawrence or the KU experience (whatever that is) isn't going to move the needle with most top-100 recruits.

I wonder what they'd say if you asked them, say 5 years into their pro career?

About 80 or so of those top hundred spend most of their time overseas or in the G-league.

[PhDhawk]

Interview with Chalmers...

QUESTION:

How close are you to making your final decision on whether to stay in school or stay in the draft?

CHALMERS:

I’m very close. I’ll probably make my final decision next week… I’m leaning towards staying (in the draft). I’ve been hearing a lot of good things, so I’ll probably stay in. (If I determine that I will be taken) in that top first round, anywhere between 15 and 25, I’m going to stay in (the draft).

That's not in the lottery.

And again, Where was he ACTUALLY drafted?

[ousdahl]

Early 2nd round, in a draft night slip that surprised some.

[PhDhawk]

not me.

[jfish26]

I think you might be talking more about the families and handlers and advisors surrounding these players than the players themselves.

If you loved riding roller coasters, and you got invited to ride them all the time and got to go the greatest roller coasters in the country, and then everyone convinced you that you should be getting paid to ride these roller coasters, you'd probably agree.

Doesn't mean you'd stop enjoying getting to ride amazind roller coasters.

Not sure I disagree. But I think the analogy misses the "stepping stone" aspect of this.

For most top-100 recruits, basketball is a way to get from point A to point C (even though getting to point C is hardly assured).

There are lots of point Bs. KU is one of them, arguably one of the best. For most top-level recruits (particularly ones without ties to the program or area), it's really not all that distinguishable (on the whole) from the other top-shelf college point B options.

So what are guys choosing on? At the top of the list would be coaching, exposure, team success, fan base, system fit, etc.

No matter what some folks around here want to believe, the intrinsic specialness of Lawrence or the KU experience (whatever that is) isn't going to move the needle with most top-100 recruits.

I wonder what they'd say if you asked them, say 5 years into their pro career?

About 80 or so of those top hundred spend most of their time overseas or in the G-league.

This is a great and valid point. I do think there is something qualitatively different about KU. I think guys generally have great experiences here, and say nice things after they're gone.

But - that only gets you so far when it comes to getting guys in the door.

[ousdahl]

That’s quite the alumnus to throw shade on.

[Deleted User 863]

Interview with Chalmers...

QUESTION:

How close are you to making your final decision on whether to stay in school or stay in the draft?

CHALMERS:

I’m very close. I’ll probably make my final decision next week… I’m leaning towards staying (in the draft). I’ve been hearing a lot of good things, so I’ll probably stay in. (If I determine that I will be taken) in that top first round, anywhere between 15 and 25, I’m going to stay in (the draft).

That's not in the lottery.

And again, Where was he ACTUALLY drafted?

How'd it work out for him?

[ousdahl]

I wonder how many schools consistently afford the celeb treatment for hoops players/student athletes around town.

Lawrence, definitely. Places like Lexington and Chapel Hill too, yeah.

But a college town without so much hoops pedigree, like Stillwater, or Eugene, or Ann Arbor or something?

Or big markets with lots else going on like LA or Austin?

[PhDhawk]

Interview with Chalmers...

QUESTION:

How close are you to making your final decision on whether to stay in school or stay in the draft?

CHALMERS:

I’m very close. I’ll probably make my final decision next week… I’m leaning towards staying (in the draft). I’ve been hearing a lot of good things, so I’ll probably stay in. (If I determine that I will be taken) in that top first round, anywhere between 15 and 25, I’m going to stay in (the draft).

That's not in the lottery.

And again, Where was he ACTUALLY drafted?

How'd it work out for him?

It worked out well.

I was correct that he'd be drafted in the second round as many had predicted.

I was wrong about it being a mistake to declare.

[Deleted User 863]

That's not in the lottery.

And again, Where was he ACTUALLY drafted?

How'd it work out for him?

It worked out well.

I was correct that he'd be drafted in the second round as many had predicted.

I was wrong about it being a mistake to declare.

Fair enough.

But i didn't simply make up that he was being projected lotto/1st round by a lot of people....which was the reason for me posting the BR article.

[ousdahl]

Sort of tangential, but Stormy Danielses’s lawyer just got sentenced 2.5 years for trying to extort Nike

[Deleted User 887]

Shit ton of girls basketball players in the city for the Nike National Invitational Tournament.
Was told they are not allowed to wear college gear of any kind. Anyone have any idea why?

[TDub]

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... ege-sports


Beginning of the end?

[Deleted User 863]

Shit ton of girls basketball players in the city for the Nike National Invitational Tournament.
Was told they are not allowed to wear college gear of any kind. Anyone have any idea why?

I read that some schools in certain states don't allow their logo to be displayed in advertisements...so my guess would be that they may use pictures/videos from the tournament and pay the athletes for their NIL in those ads.... and therefor they don't want any logos to be displayed.