F the NCAA

[PhDhawk]

They don't have the authority to wiretap phones. That's how people got caught.

In this case.

You are aware people got caught in violations previous to this, right?

That the NCAA could be more consistent with their punishments is inarguable.

You can't be consistent in punishments if you can't consistently catch a large % of the violations. That's inarguable.

It's also in arguable that they're capable of catching a large % of violations. That was apparent during the trials. Laundry lists of players cleared who likely committed violations and played.

Yes you can, are you dumb?

The problem pdub is talking about isn't that there are people getting away with shit, even the fbi clearly didn't catch everyone who's cheating. The problem pdub is talking about is that some guys get caught taking $2,000 and get suspended for 9 games and some guys get caught taking $2,000 and get suspended for two seasons.

You don't have to catch everyone who steals cars in order for the punishment to be a deterrent.

But you can't have one car thief get a $50 fine and the next one get the death penalty.

[Deleted User 183]

Have you guys seen what qualifies as an impermissible benefit if you follow the letter of the "law"?

Jay Bilas, a respected and well know college hoops analyst, is on record saying how it really is... and if anyone would know it's him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansas ... 67479.html


“College sports is not amateur. It has not been for the last 100 years and it certainly isn’t now.”“I know that hardly anybody was eligible when I played and hardly anybody is eligible now.”“The problem is not the players and the problem is not the money. The problem is the NCAA’s rules.”

Not eligible because of impermissible benefits or not eligible legitimately academically?
Both are true.

[pdub]

In this case.

You are aware people got caught in violations previous to this, right?

That the NCAA could be more consistent with their punishments is inarguable.

You can't be consistent in punishments if you can't consistently catch a large % of the violations. That's inarguable.

It's also in arguable that they're capable of catching a large % of violations. That was apparent during the trials. Laundry lists of players cleared who likely committed violations and played.

Yes you can, are you dumb?

The problem pdub is talking about isn't that there are people getting away with shit, even the fbi clearly didn't catch everyone who's cheating. The problem pdub is talking about is that some guys get caught taking $2,000 and get suspended for 9 games and some guys get caught taking $2,000 and get suspended for two seasons.

You don't have to catch everyone who steals cars in order for the punishment to be a deterrent.

But you can't have one car thief get a $50 fine and the next one get the death penalty.

I hate PhD but at least he can read.

[Deleted User 75]

How do you guys think Bruce Pearl feels about consistent enforcement? Watching Self and Miller and etc. basically have nothing happen to them when he got a multi year ban for less?

Wut? No, that's not true. You can look up the distinctions yourself as I don't care to discuss, but this throwaway comment needed a response.

He lied about a cookout location, right?

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/new ... caa/57287/

"I think it seems clear from the report that if an individual intentionally violates rules and is dishonest when asked about them, then the individual will be held accountable," Committee on Infractions Vice Chairman Britton Banowsky said during a conference call announcing the report's release. "The committee was very serious about these deliberations."


Would you agree Self likely intentionally broke rules by having this relationship with Gassnola, who he more than likely knew was paying recruits to come to Kansas?

[twocoach]

I’d like the video games to come back without the players names and likenesses.

Buy NBA2K19 and download the college rosters that some user creates every year. Done.

I want the uniforms, courts, chants, conferences, tournament format, announcers ( FRAN!!! ).
Give me fake players with the ability to create rosters.
( spare me the 'you can have all that if you just used common sense', it's not that simple )

Agreed that it would be nice. But it wouldnt generate enough revenue to pay what the game company would have to pay to license it and compensate the athletes.

NCAA hoops games died before the O'Bannon case due purely to poor sales. There just wasnt enough demand for them to warrant a continuation of development.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Buy NBA2K19 and download the college rosters that some user creates every year. Done.

I want the uniforms, courts, chants, conferences, tournament format, announcers ( FRAN!!! ).
Give me fake players with the ability to create rosters.
( spare me the 'you can have all that if you just used common sense', it's not that simple )

Agreed that it would be nice. But it wouldnt generate enough revenue to pay what the game company would have to pay to license it and compensate the athletes.

NCAA hoops games died before the O'Bannon case due purely to poor sales. There just wasnt enough demand for them to warrant a continuation of development.

They were also made by EA Sports, so they were fucking terrible.

[Deleted User 75]

You can't be consistent in punishments if you can't consistently catch a large % of the violations. That's inarguable.

It's also in arguable that they're capable of catching a large % of violations. That was apparent during the trials. Laundry lists of players cleared who likely committed violations and played.

Yes you can, are you dumb?

The problem pdub is talking about isn't that there are people getting away with shit, even the fbi clearly didn't catch everyone who's cheating. The problem pdub is talking about is that some guys get caught taking $2,000 and get suspended for 9 games and some guys get caught taking $2,000 and get suspended for two seasons.

You don't have to catch everyone who steals cars in order for the punishment to be a deterrent.

But you can't have one car thief get a $50 fine and the next one get the death penalty.

I hate PhD but at least he can read.

We can keep pretending that SDS only took 2,500$ for classes, but clearly the NCAA doesn't believe that story.

So I don't think the analogy fits. You could do the opposite and say SDS only got 2 years for an amount that most people would lose amateur status forever, depending on which parts of the FBI stuff you choose to believe.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Would you agree Self likely intentionally broke rules by having this relationship with Gassnola, who he more than likely knew was paying recruits to come to Kansas?

I would not. Having a relationship with Gassnola is not against NCAA bylaws.

The rest of what you stated is speculation.

[pdub]

I liked NCAA 09.
Bill Self narrated the tutorial.
I also enjoyed the pace meter and Allen Fieldhouse looked ( for the graphics at the time ) accurate.

[Deleted User 75]

Would you agree Self likely intentionally broke rules by having this relationship with Gassnola, who he more than likely knew was paying recruits to come to Kansas?

I would not. Having a relationship with Gassnola is not against NCAA bylaws.

The rest of what you stated is speculation.

Speculation or not, we both know it's true. So does the NCAA.

[twocoach]

I want the uniforms, courts, chants, conferences, tournament format, announcers ( FRAN!!! ).
Give me fake players with the ability to create rosters.
( spare me the 'you can have all that if you just used common sense', it's not that simple )

Agreed that it would be nice. But it wouldnt generate enough revenue to pay what the game company would have to pay to license it and compensate the athletes.

NCAA hoops games died before the O'Bannon case due purely to poor sales. There just wasnt enough demand for them to warrant a continuation of development.

They were also made by EA Sports, so they were fucking terrible.

Any company that would have to pick this up and make it awesome (outside of 2K sports) would incur a lot of cost in development to do so because they do not already have the framework in place to create it. No way the sales would be enough to cover those costs.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Would you agree Self likely intentionally broke rules by having this relationship with Gassnola, who he more than likely knew was paying recruits to come to Kansas?

I would not. Having a relationship with Gassnola is not against NCAA bylaws.

The rest of what you stated is speculation.

Speculation or not, we both know it's true. So does the NCAA.

That's not right either.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Agreed that it would be nice. But it wouldnt generate enough revenue to pay what the game company would have to pay to license it and compensate the athletes.

NCAA hoops games died before the O'Bannon case due purely to poor sales. There just wasnt enough demand for them to warrant a continuation of development.

They were also made by EA Sports, so they were fucking terrible.

Any company that would have to pick this up and make it awesome (outside of 2K sports) would incur a lot of cost in development to do so because they do not already have the framework in place to create it. No way the sales would be enough to cover those costs.

No argument here. Just saying the games were really bad. A good game would have helped tremendously. Nascar isn't wildly popular right now. Neither is the NHL. But the games are good, which helps sales.

[Deleted User 62]

Would you agree Self likely intentionally broke rules by having this relationship with Gassnola, who he more than likely knew was paying recruits to come to Kansas?

I would not. Having a relationship with Gassnola is not against NCAA bylaws.

The rest of what you stated is speculation.

Speculation or not, we both know it's true. So does the NCAA.

You know this as 100% fact?

[Deleted User 75]

I would not. Having a relationship with Gassnola is not against NCAA bylaws.

The rest of what you stated is speculation.

Speculation or not, we both know it's true. So does the NCAA.

You know this as 100% fact?

Do you think Self knew what his boy Gassnola was doing?...I do.

I'm guessing you won't answer the question...but hopefully you prove me wrong.

[jfish26]

I’d like the video games to come back without the players names and likenesses.

Buy NBA2K19 and download the college rosters that some user creates every year. Done.

I want the uniforms, courts, chants, conferences, tournament format, announcers ( FRAN!!! ).
Give me fake players with the ability to create rosters.
( spare me the 'you can have all that if you just used common sense', it's not that simple )

Yes it is!

If 2K sports wants to make a game with names and likenesses, then they pay for that and the money is distributed among the players.

This took two seconds.

[Deleted User 75]

We've done this before. I guess there's no reason to go over it again. Some of you truly believe Kansas/Self was being unknowingly defrauded by Adidas and Gasnolla....I don't think Self is an idiot. I think he was aware. It's "the game" within the game. Has been for decades. I think that's why Gasnolla covered for Self. I think that's why Self hasn't negatively spoken a single word about Gasnolla. I think that's why Gasnolla sat with Self and his family at Selfs HOF induction.

[pdub]

I knew you'd come calling JFish.

[Deleted User 62]

Speculation or not, we both know it's true. So does the NCAA.

You know this as 100% fact?

Do you think Self knew what his boy Gassnola was doing?...I do.

I'm guessing you won't answer the question...but hopefully you prove me wrong.

I have no idea what Bill knew or didn't know.
I assume he knew something was going on.

Can you not see that you claim something as fact that you couldn't possible know?

[twocoach]

Buy NBA2K19 and download the college rosters that some user creates every year. Done.

I want the uniforms, courts, chants, conferences, tournament format, announcers ( FRAN!!! ).
Give me fake players with the ability to create rosters.
( spare me the 'you can have all that if you just used common sense', it's not that simple )

Yes it is!

If 2K sports wants to make a game with names and likenesses, then they pay for that and the money is distributed among the players.

This took two seconds.

Take-Two Interactive, parent company of 2K Sports, just signed a 7 year, $1.1 billion licensing agreement with the NBA and NBAPA because they will sell 8-10 million copies of the game.

The old college hoops games produced less than $50 million in sales, not enough to cover royalties, development and marketing in the old system. Adding in additional royalties to players would lose a company even more money.