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jfish26 wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:49 pm
holidaysmore wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:41 pm NLI became the kiss of death for all of these 'other' leagues. Hell, I can't even think of any of them.

The exposure you get by going to a P5 school plus NLI is going to far outweigh going to these other alternative leagues.
And it was patently obvious. In order to keep not-quite-NBA talent in college basketball...college basketball had to compete with the G League.

Weird how the market - take the G League Ignite salaries, or Billy Preston's alleged take, or known high-end NIL deals, or myriad other things - seems to have found an equilibrium.
If you don't have an NBA team or a fat TV rights contract to pay players, it is just a matter of time before you go out of business. You cannot count on ticket sales to prop up a league like this because no one is going to go see this junk. The NBA finally recognizing the development benefit of supporting the G-League will keep it afloat for a while.
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:34 am Yeah, it's become a tradition that the team always eats at Eddie V's (formerly Ruth's Chris) on the Plaza the night before every December Sprint Center game.
Hopefully (and lord knows the devil's always in the details on these things) the rules adopted by Division I under the new constitution will permit something like school payment of athlete traveling party ancillary expenses. There isn't really a reason a school shouldn't be allowed to pay travel and ancillary expenses for a couple additional people per athlete.
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Fuck these guys.

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Not the same but Pearl and crew got off pretty easy.

If Self could get away with a two game suspension and some years of probation, thatd be a win.
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:18 am Fuck these guys.

Long eye roll. Fuck those guys is right.
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:18 am Fuck these guys.

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Is it arguable that NC State had a worst case between them and Kansas? If so, no postseason ban and a limit of a scholarship. Former coach gets a show cause penalty and ex assistant gets 6 year show cause.

Seems trending that Townsend gets a show cause, Kansas doesn’t serve a ban and Self is maybe suspended for a handful or so amount of games.

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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:18 am Fuck these guys.

The gala luncheons and writer's cramp make them pine for the coal mines.
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NewtonHawk11 wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:20 pm Is it arguable that NC State had a worst case between them and Kansas? If so, no postseason ban and a limit of a scholarship. Former coach gets a show cause penalty and ex assistant gets 6 year show cause.

Seems trending that Townsend gets a show cause, Kansas doesn’t serve a ban and Self is maybe suspended for a handful or so amount of games.

We played no ineligible players, right?
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:26 pm
NewtonHawk11 wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:20 pm Is it arguable that NC State had a worst case between them and Kansas? If so, no postseason ban and a limit of a scholarship. Former coach gets a show cause penalty and ex assistant gets 6 year show cause.

Seems trending that Townsend gets a show cause, Kansas doesn’t serve a ban and Self is maybe suspended for a handful or so amount of games.

We played no ineligible players, right?
Depends on what they consider Diallo but I do not believe so.
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Diallo? You mean De Sousa?

Any punishment for playing De Sousa would be bullshit strict liability punishment. I'm sure KU is on top of that, but all of our stuff is about 2 players that were cleared with one never playing, and then a fat guy that played for dook.
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I am not familiar with the NCState thing. Were their coaches caught on the Adidas wiretap too?
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:45 pm Diallo? You mean De Sousa?

Any punishment for playing De Sousa would be bullshit strict liability punishment. I'm sure KU is on top of that, but all of our stuff is about 2 players that were cleared with one never playing, and then a fat guy that played for dook.
No, I mean Diallo. I believe that he payment to his guardian was one of the things listed in the KU case. If I remember, his guardian's name "Drame" was missed in a redaction and was in the documentation.

Edit: I found what I was remembering: http://m.kusports.com/news/2020/may/08/ ... sketball-/
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twocoach wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:03 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:45 pm Diallo? You mean De Sousa?

Any punishment for playing De Sousa would be bullshit strict liability punishment. I'm sure KU is on top of that, but all of our stuff is about 2 players that were cleared with one never playing, and then a fat guy that played for dook.
No, I mean Diallo. I believe that he payment to his guardian was one of the things listed in the KU case. If I remember, his guardian's name "Drame" was missed in a redaction and was in the documentation.

Edit: I found what I was remembering: http://m.kusports.com/news/2020/may/08/ ... sketball-/
Thanks. Hard to keep up with everything under wraps. Who knows what the NCAA will include in their case.
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Feels like those texts/phone calls are going to be what bites us in the ass the most. They're going to want to stick it to us.
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Flimsy as hell then, unless they want to stand on the institutional control charge. Which, fine. Do the probation and fire KT.

These punishments over the past year show the wind is blowing in our direction and KU played this pretty perfectly. David Beaty and attorneys' fees collateral damage be damned.
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Yeah, it does seem flimsy if the charge is “lack of institutional control” for texts about “just gotta figure out some way to get this guy” and “we good”

Especially cuz the guy who demanded cash and a house to commit, committed to a school that allegedly did give him a house (and cars!)

And the house and cars allegation is just some evidence in court, right? Just like we good.
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