My challenge to the dedicated "Right"

[MICHHAWK]

I thought it was for MICHHAWK to decide what he did with his extra $1000.00. My bad.

[HouseDivided]

I don't disagree with any of that. The difference is, you are choosing when, what, how, and how much of that is transferred from you to someone else. My objection is when the government confiscates it from me under the assumption that I can't be trusted to do it on my own.

What individuals do on their own simply isn't enough. Put an extra $1,000 in a responsible people's hands and they are much more likely to invest that $1,000 in to themselves than give it to others. Put $1,000 into the hands of an irresponsible person and it's most likely not going anywhere productive to anyone.

Was there a spike in charitable givings when the tax breaks went out? Nope. There isn't an assumption that people can't be trusted to share more if they have more. There is a mountain of statistical evidence that proves it. No assumptions needed.

So, who better to serve as our prosthetic conscience than the government, which is well-known for responsible and efficient fiscal management?

Please.

[HouseDivided]

I thought it was for MICHHAWK to decide what he did with his extra $1000.00. My bad.

Silly goose. You're not smart enough or responsible enough. Just ask the Left.

[Deleted User 75]

Obamacare would be number one with "You didn't build that" as a close number two. The whole idea that government is the answer to our problems and that the common people have no right/ability to control their own destiny is offensive to me.

what’s offensive to me is that one of, if not the wealthiest nation on the planet doesn’t have the compassion or empathy to take care of their own...and this extends beyond basic healthcare to things like support for the impoverished and taking care of our veterans

I am discovering that some people simply are more concerned for their own well being more than they are the well being of others and simply dont care if someone else is negatively impacted by their advancement. Others are wired to have more empathy and are willing to sacrifice a bit of their own to help someone with much less.

Person A isn't bad. They just have a different combinarion of mental wiring, chemical makeup and life experiences. If empathy was scored from 0-100 you have to have people spread across that full range to succeed. You cant just have a society with everyone at 100 any more than a society full of zeroes.

It's the battling over the money that the 100s want that the zeros aren't willing to share that causes the friction. Healthcare, welfare, social programs. It's all basically the same argument.

The Right that likes their life wants to spend their money to safeguard that life and keep the stuff they have. The Left that likes their life wants to give more people a chance to experience that happiness.

I agree with some of what you say in there, maybe even most...

But I've also found people are a whole lot more compassionate with other people's money than they are with their own money. It's easy to be generous with other people's money. That is true on the left and the right. Saying blanket statements like "the left wants to give more people happiness" is sort of foolish. The left wants to give people that happiness by redistributing the wealth of the rich people on the right and left...or at least that's how it seems. The "right" (typically) wants to give people that happiness by having more available jobs for those people, and more opportunities for those people, to bring happiness to themselves and their families.

[zsn]

For the record, still no answer to the original question. No one can yet point to something that is an improvement (vast or not) over the past two years from the eight before.

[twocoach]

what’s offensive to me is that one of, if not the wealthiest nation on the planet doesn’t have the compassion or empathy to take care of their own...and this extends beyond basic healthcare to things like support for the impoverished and taking care of our veterans

I am discovering that some people simply are more concerned for their own well being more than they are the well being of others and simply dont care if someone else is negatively impacted by their advancement. Others are wired to have more empathy and are willing to sacrifice a bit of their own to help someone with much less.

Person A isn't bad. They just have a different combinarion of mental wiring, chemical makeup and life experiences. If empathy was scored from 0-100 you have to have people spread across that full range to succeed. You cant just have a society with everyone at 100 any more than a society full of zeroes.

It's the battling over the money that the 100s want that the zeros aren't willing to share that causes the friction. Healthcare, welfare, social programs. It's all basically the same argument.

The Right that likes their life wants to spend their money to safeguard that life and keep the stuff they have. The Left that likes their life wants to give more people a chance to experience that happiness.

I agree with some of what you say in there, maybe even most...

But I've also found people are a whole lot more compassionate with other people's money than they are with their own money. It's easy to be generous with other people's money. That is true on the left and the right. Saying blanket statements like "the left wants to give more people happiness" is sort of foolish. The left wants to give people that happiness by redistributing the wealth of the rich people on the right and left...or at least that's how it seems. The "right" (typically) wants to give people that happiness by having more available jobs for those people, and more opportunities for those people, to bring happiness to themselves and their families.

There are a zillion things we could do to better our society with the tens of billlions of dollars Trump wants to spen don some pointless wall under tbe guise of "safety" that will be maneuvered around within weeks. But that wall is really to buy votes and to pad the pockets of fat cat contractors/donors, not to keep anyone safe.

There are piles of great things we could do with the billions of dollars being paid to build private detention centers under the guise of "safety". But again, that is only happening to pass government money to fat cat contractors/donors, not to keep anyone safe.

Think of all the real GOOD we could do with that money.

[Deleted User 75]

I am discovering that some people simply are more concerned for their own well being more than they are the well being of others and simply dont care if someone else is negatively impacted by their advancement. Others are wired to have more empathy and are willing to sacrifice a bit of their own to help someone with much less.

Person A isn't bad. They just have a different combinarion of mental wiring, chemical makeup and life experiences. If empathy was scored from 0-100 you have to have people spread across that full range to succeed. You cant just have a society with everyone at 100 any more than a society full of zeroes.

It's the battling over the money that the 100s want that the zeros aren't willing to share that causes the friction. Healthcare, welfare, social programs. It's all basically the same argument.

The Right that likes their life wants to spend their money to safeguard that life and keep the stuff they have. The Left that likes their life wants to give more people a chance to experience that happiness.

I agree with some of what you say in there, maybe even most...

But I've also found people are a whole lot more compassionate with other people's money than they are with their own money. It's easy to be generous with other people's money. That is true on the left and the right. Saying blanket statements like "the left wants to give more people happiness" is sort of foolish. The left wants to give people that happiness by redistributing the wealth of the rich people on the right and left...or at least that's how it seems. The "right" (typically) wants to give people that happiness by having more available jobs for those people, and more opportunities for those people, to bring happiness to themselves and their families.

There are a zillion things we could do to better our society with the tens of billlions of dollars Trump wants to spen don some pointless wall under tbe guise of "safety" that will be maneuvered around within weeks. But that wall is really to buy votes and to pad the pockets of fat cat contractors/donors, not to keep anyone safe.

There are piles of great things we could do with the billions of dollars being paid to build private detention centers under the guise of "safety". But again, that is only happening to pass government money to fat cat contractors/donors, not to keep anyone safe.

Think of all the real GOOD we could do with that money.

Yup....and look what the government does with it.

[twocoach]

You dont have to hit at 100% to do good. There are thousands of lives made better thanks to government assistance on a daily basis. There are improvements to be made but scrapping it is stupid.

[HouseDivided]

You dont have to hit at 100% to do good. There are thousands of lives made better thanks to government assistance on a daily basis. There are improvements to be made but scrapping it is stupid.

Creating it in the first place was stupid. Continuing to fiddle with stupid is even stupider.

[Deleted User 75]

You dont have to hit at 100% to do good. There are thousands of lives made better thanks to government assistance on a daily basis. There are improvements to be made but scrapping it is stupid.

I agree...the problem is, and my state knows this well, is that government is (often times) wasteful, corrupt, and inefficient...too many over paid state and federal government workers.

Less government equals better government imo.

People can improve their communities and help the less fortunate a lot better than the government can...it's done by creating not for profit organizations that are local and know their communities needs. My best friends dad is fairly well off, owns an insurance company, million dollar houses in IL and FL, and he's opened a school in africa, and is building a women's shelter in my hometown. He's making a difference without government money. Just other local donors.

....and this dude is a slime ball. Was an absent father. Cheated on my friends mom with his business partner (eventually married said business partner). I can't stand the dude, but he does use his money for good, even if the sole purpose is how it makes him look within the community.

[Deleted User 62]

For the record, still no answer to the original question. No one can yet point to something that is an improvement (vast or not) over the past two years from the eight before.

I honestly didn't expect one.

[dolomite]

Please...tell me what was the single.....absolutely worst thing about the 8 years of Obama that makes these last 2 years seem like a vast improvement.

I am listening with an open mind.

I think some of the worst things was Obama dividing the country during the Ferguson Mo, debacle, also the comments made during the Trayvon Martin mess("he could have been my son", should have let the jury decide and they did), and having the police stand down while letting the CVS store burn in Baltimore. Holder's "fast and furious" fuck up. Sending a plane load of cash to Iran. There are many more, sorry I could not list just one.

[HouseDivided]

For the record, still no answer to the original question. No one can yet point to something that is an improvement (vast or not) over the past two years from the eight before.

I honestly didn't expect one.

Having somebody who acknowledges that Obamacare is a cluster hump and is pledging to do something about is versus insisting that it is working just fine and that any objections to it are just indicative of selfishness, is a HUGE improvement. I thought that was implied.

[twocoach]

Please...tell me what was the single.....absolutely worst thing about the 8 years of Obama that makes these last 2 years seem like a vast improvement.

I am listening with an open mind.

I think some of the worst things was Obama dividing the country during the Ferguson Mo, debacle, also the comments made during the Trayvon Martin mess("he could have been my son", should have let the jury decide and they did), and having the police stand down while letting the CVS store burn in Baltimore. Holder's "fast and furious" fuck up. Sending a plane load of cash to Iran. There are many more, sorry I could not list just one.

None of those things would even make Trump's Top 20.

[dolomite]

Please...tell me what was the single.....absolutely worst thing about the 8 years of Obama that makes these last 2 years seem like a vast improvement.

I am listening with an open mind.

I think some of the worst things was Obama dividing the country during the Ferguson Mo, debacle, also the comments made during the Trayvon Martin mess("he could have been my son", should have let the jury decide and they did), and having the police stand down while letting the CVS store burn in Baltimore. Holder's "fast and furious" fuck up. Sending a plane load of cash to Iran. There are many more, sorry I could not list just one.

None of those things would even make Trump's Top 20.

splain yourself.

[MICHHAWK]

For the record, still no answer to the original question. No one can yet point to something that is an improvement (vast or not) over the past two years from the eight before.

My 401k.

[Deleted User 62]

Please...tell me what was the single.....absolutely worst thing about the 8 years of Obama that makes these last 2 years seem like a vast improvement.

I am listening with an open mind.

I think some of the worst things was Obama dividing the country during the Ferguson Mo, debacle, also the comments made during the Trayvon Martin mess("he could have been my son", should have let the jury decide and they did), and having the police stand down while letting the CVS store burn in Baltimore. Holder's "fast and furious" fuck up. Sending a plane load of cash to Iran. There are many more, sorry I could not list just one.

So much fucking wrong with this.....

[Deleted User 62]

For the record, still no answer to the original question. No one can yet point to something that is an improvement (vast or not) over the past two years from the eight before.

I honestly didn't expect one.

Having somebody who acknowledges that Obamacare is a cluster hump and is pledging to do something about is versus insisting that it is working just fine and that any objections to it are just indicative of selfishness, is a HUGE improvement. I thought that was implied.

I get that your idol pledges to do a lot.
I am asking for ACTUAL accomplishments....and how they have positively affected YOU.

[zsn]

You dont have to hit at 100% to do good. There are thousands of lives made better thanks to government assistance on a daily basis. There are improvements to be made but scrapping it is stupid.

I agree...the problem is, and my state knows this well, is that government is (often times) wasteful, corrupt, and inefficient...too many over paid state and federal government workers.

Less government equals better government imo.

Explain to me how sending >10,000 active duty military personnel to thwart ~2000 people from ATTEMPTING to cross the border is better than helping people's lives by formulating rules to reign in the tyrrany of the Health Insurance Industry?

BTW, if you think State and Federal workers have it so good would you give up your present (ostensibly) poorer situation and take up their plight?

[Deleted User 62]

2,000+ hardened MS-13 gang members.....