republicans have no shame

[zsn]

It's all pretty standard bureaucratic theory: Technology makes the world complicated. Regulating a complicated world requires specialized knowledge. Specialized knowledge is almost exclusively held by industry practitioners. Therefore, if government wants to regulate, it has to choose primarily from industry practitioners -- most of whom then go back to industry but are even better at their previous jobs because they now have regulatory experience AND contacts.

That's more or less the MO in the pharmaceutical industry. Works mostly well, and fails when the ones who return to industry fail to recognize their responsibility to the society at large (function of the regulator) and become beholden to the mighty $$$$$$ and start working in ways to undermine well-intentioned regulators.

Some failures are spectacular (Vioxx). Also, recently the civil aviation skipped one of the steps and just let industry practioners regulate themselves. As a result many people died and several aircraft remain inoperative.

[Deleted User 89]

You should read more.

Feel free to provide us a link to what we should read that will make Trump appointing those clowns to head the EPA seem like a perfectly normal action and good moves to protect the environment. I'd be happy to read it.

OK.

Theodore J. Lowi, The End of Liberalism: The Second Republic of the United States

Alfred Kahn, The Economics of Regulation: Principles and Institutions

And especially:

James Q. Wilson, Bureaucracy

It's all pretty standard bureaucratic theory: Technology makes the world complicated. Regulating a complicated world requires specialized knowledge. Specialized knowledge is almost exclusively held by industry practitioners. Therefore, if government wants to regulate, it has to choose primarily from industry practitioners -- most of whom then go back to industry but are even better at their previous jobs because they now have regulatory experience AND contacts.

that’s quite a stretch to justify who trump appointed

in general, yes, you’d want people familiar with the industries they are regulating...but, that’s only half of the story

if you wanna give trump the benefit of the doubt and presume such appointments were completely “above board”, so to speak, i’ve got some ocean front property in Arizona for you

the president has done anything but actions that would give him the benefit of the doubt, particularly where environmental issues are concerned

[seahawk]

My god. Talk about elitist bullshit.

So, you've never been inside a prison?

Don't know about the history of prison overbuilding in this country?

[twocoach]

Maybe we can find a good bank robber to head the regulation of the banking industry. Maybe we can find a drug cartel kingpin and appoint him head of the Department of Health.

Both make as much sense as appointing an oil exec to head the EPA. Hiring someone from inside the industry to be a regulator is a great idea. But the oil industry is not the environmental industry. The oil industry is designed to rape the environment in as cost efficient a manner as possible. They are enemies of the environmental industry.

[TDub]

My god. Talk about elitist bullshit.

So, you've never been inside a prison?

Don't know about the history of prison overbuilding in this country?

I know that many prisons are operating over 100% capacity. I know that I live in a rural area and have several friends/acquaintances that work in the prison system. I know them to be neither too dumb or stupid, nor too ill educated to find other jobs. That is some complete elitist bullshit.

[Deleted User 89]

any idea why they’re over capacity?

(hint: might have something to do with many/most being for-profit)

[DCHawk1]

Maybe we can find a good bank robber to head the regulation of the banking industry. Maybe we can find a drug cartel kingpin and appoint him head of the Department of Health.

Both make as much sense as appointing an oil exec to head the EPA. Hiring someone from inside the industry to be a regulator is a great idea. But the oil industry is not the environmental industry. The oil industry is designed to rape the environment in as cost efficient a manner as possible. They are enemies of the environmental industry.

I guess I have a few options here. I can ignore you, which might be the smartest thing to do.

I can continue to argue with a fucking dolt who is confused by reality and pissy with me about it.

Or I can humor you and agree. Yes. Appoint bankrobbers.

They never hurt nobody.

[Deleted User 62]

Prisons are great investments. Like hotels that fill themselves and the check always clears.

[seahawk]

My god. Talk about elitist bullshit.

So, you've never been inside a prison?

Don't know about the history of prison overbuilding in this country?

I know that many prisons are operating over 100% capacity. I know that I live in a rural area and have several friends/acquaintances that work in the prison system. I know them to be neither too dumb or stupid, nor too ill educated to find other jobs. That is some complete elitist bullshit.

Elitist bullshit is the overbuilding of prisons to fund architects and a whole range of construction contractors and putting them in dying rural towns and using them as an employment program for the folks I mentioned. I sat next to the woman who answered to the Corrections Secretary and who was the liaison with legislators that needed to get someone's brother-in-law who couldn't find any other job, one somewhere in the Corrections system.

Elitist bullshit is making states choose between schools and universities and paying for the expensive prisons so that folks like your friends can remain in their dying small towns.

I haven't followed the Oregon prison system. Has it gotten less corrupt in the years since Kansan Michael Francke was murdered for trying to clean up the corruption?

[seahawk]

You should read more.

Feel free to provide us a link to what we should read that will make Trump appointing those clowns to head the EPA seem like a perfectly normal action and good moves to protect the environment. I'd be happy to read it.

OK.

Theodore J. Lowi, The End of Liberalism: The Second Republic of the United States

Alfred Kahn, The Economics of Regulation: Principles and Institutions

And especially:

James Q. Wilson, Bureaucracy

It's all pretty standard bureaucratic theory: Technology makes the world complicated. Regulating a complicated world requires specialized knowledge. Specialized knowledge is almost exclusively held by industry practitioners. Therefore, if government wants to regulate, it has to choose primarily from industry practitioners -- most of whom then go back to industry but are even better at their previous jobs because they now have regulatory experience AND contacts.

James Q. Wilson, the cheerleader for mass over incarceration and author of the stupid "Broken Windows" nonsense? You're recommending that fraud?

[Geezer]

You're an idiot.

So to fulfill Bannon's destruction of the administrative state line item, you place the polluters in charge of the EPA and vacate regulations as fast as possible.
There are idiots in this equation, you may not have identified the right one.

[TDub]

any idea why they’re over capacity?

(hint: might have something to do with many/most being for-profit)

8.4% of prisoners are housed in for profit prisons

[DCHawk1]

Feel free to provide us a link to what we should read that will make Trump appointing those clowns to head the EPA seem like a perfectly normal action and good moves to protect the environment. I'd be happy to read it.

OK.

Theodore J. Lowi, The End of Liberalism: The Second Republic of the United States

Alfred Kahn, The Economics of Regulation: Principles and Institutions

And especially:

James Q. Wilson, Bureaucracy

It's all pretty standard bureaucratic theory: Technology makes the world complicated. Regulating a complicated world requires specialized knowledge. Specialized knowledge is almost exclusively held by industry practitioners. Therefore, if government wants to regulate, it has to choose primarily from industry practitioners -- most of whom then go back to industry but are even better at their previous jobs because they now have regulatory experience AND contacts.

James Q. Wilson, the cheerleader for mass over incarceration and author of the stupid "Broken Windows" nonsense? You're recommending that fraud?

You people and your anti-intellectualism...

Between Wilson and Lowi, you have probably the two best-known, most-respected, most mainstream American political scientists in history -- in addition to two past presidents of the American Political Science Association.

The only people who consider Wilson a "fraud" are crackpots and cranks.

Which, I guess, makes sense.

[TDub]

So, you've never been inside a prison?

Don't know about the history of prison overbuilding in this country?

I know that many prisons are operating over 100% capacity. I know that I live in a rural area and have several friends/acquaintances that work in the prison system. I know them to be neither too dumb or stupid, nor too ill educated to find other jobs. That is some complete elitist bullshit.

Elitist bullshit is the overbuilding of prisons to fund architects and a whole range of construction contractors and putting them in dying rural towns and using them as an employment program for the folks I mentioned. I sat next to the woman who answered to the Corrections Secretary and who was the liaison with legislators that needed to get someone's brother-in-law who couldn't find any other job, one somewhere in the Corrections system.

Elitist bullshit is making states choose between schools and universities and paying for the expensive prisons so that folks like your friends can remain in their dying small towns.

I haven't followed the Oregon prison system. Has it gotten less corrupt in the years since Kansan Michael Francke was murdered for trying to clean up the corruption?

If prisons are full are they being overbuilt?

Every school district in the county has passed bonds to provide upgrades and new facilities in the last 5 years. No one is choosing.

So you hate providing jobs for these people but you would gladly provide them with welfare checks?

[DCHawk1]

You're an idiot.

So to fulfill Bannon's destruction of the administrative state line item, you place the polluters in charge of the EPA and vacate regulations as fast as possible.
There are idiots in this equation, you may not have identified the right one.

My goodness. To be this ignorant of and naive about the administrative state at this late date.

[twocoach]

OK.

Theodore J. Lowi, The End of Liberalism: The Second Republic of the United States

Alfred Kahn, The Economics of Regulation: Principles and Institutions

And especially:

James Q. Wilson, Bureaucracy

It's all pretty standard bureaucratic theory: Technology makes the world complicated. Regulating a complicated world requires specialized knowledge. Specialized knowledge is almost exclusively held by industry practitioners. Therefore, if government wants to regulate, it has to choose primarily from industry practitioners -- most of whom then go back to industry but are even better at their previous jobs because they now have regulatory experience AND contacts.

James Q. Wilson, the cheerleader for mass over incarceration and author of the stupid "Broken Windows" nonsense? You're recommending that fraud?

You people and your anti-intellectualism...

Between Wilson and Lowi, you have probably the two best-known, most-respected, most mainstream American political scientists in history -- in addition to two past presidents of the American Political Science Association.

The only people who consider Wilson a "fraud" are crackpots and cranks.

Which, I guess, makes sense.

"Only" is a strong word. Trump probably thinks the "only" people who consider Trump a fraud are people who hate America. Sometimes it feels like "only" is accurate but it rarely is. It's all a matter of perspective.

[twocoach]

You're an idiot.

So to fulfill Bannon's destruction of the administrative state line item, you place the polluters in charge of the EPA and vacate regulations as fast as possible.
There are idiots in this equation, you may not have identified the right one.

My goodness. To be this ignorant of and naive about the administrative state at this late date.

(Insert goal post moving gif here)

We all know you win the competition for who has read the most books. Congrats. It doesn't change how obviously vile it is to have a President who is so morally bankrupt. Putting an oil exec in charge of the EPA will result in an increase in deaths of US citizens, just to bump up the already astronomical profits of oil companies a few more percentage points thanks to lessening their expenses to manage their toxic pollution.

[Deleted User 89]

any idea why they’re over capacity?

(hint: might have something to do with many/most being for-profit)

8.4% of prisoners are housed in for profit prisons

really?

could swear it was a more significant number

edit: i must’ve been remembering the number of for-profit detention centers, which house 70%+ of immigration detainees

[Deleted User 289]

You're an idiot.

I swear on my mother's life I am saying this out of respect.
There are a lot of idiots on this site. Myself included. I guess the bright spot is that I'm open to educating myself and I am aware that I am not a smart person.
For some unknown reason (to me) you feel a need to engage people on here in conversation.
I happen to appreciate much of what you say and bring to this site.
I assume this is not the only site you visit to share and discuss what's on your mind but it seems you spend a lot of time on here. Define "a lot" as you choose.
Please tell me it's none of my business if you feel that way but I am going to ask, what other sites do you visit to share and discuss what's on your mind and wouldn't it be preferable to share and discuss what's on your mind with people who are on the same intelligence level as you?
PLEASE don't think I'm trying to run you off of here because that's in no way my intention.
I think my post is coming from my being on other sites such as Facebook and becoming so frustrated with the ignorance I see/read and my wondering why you subject yourself to that on here.
That's all. Peace!

[DCHawk1]

So to fulfill Bannon's destruction of the administrative state line item, you place the polluters in charge of the EPA and vacate regulations as fast as possible.
There are idiots in this equation, you may not have identified the right one.

My goodness. To be this ignorant of and naive about the administrative state at this late date.

(Insert goal post moving gif here)

We all know you win the competition for who has read the most books. Congrats. It doesn't change how obviously vile it is to have a President who is so morally bankrupt. Putting an oil exec in charge of the EPA will result in an increase in deaths of US citizens, just to bump up the already astronomical profits of oil companies a few more percentage points thanks to lessening their expenses to manage their toxic pollution.

Look at you out white-knighting this morning!