Ahmaud Arbery

[TDub]

Also, they aren't undocumented laborers you arrogant, arrogant person.

[PhDhawk]

Also, they aren't undocumented laborers you arrogant, arrogant person.

Yeah, that was a weird assumption. And even weirder justification.

[seahawk]

In my neighborhood, you go and look at the construction to see if they're building in the footprint of the previous structure or that they have the correct setbacks from the lake so that you can go argue with the Planning Department when you want to build a pool and they say that's not within the 40% guidelines, or whatever they've decided they are today. Also want to make sure they've not exceeded the 50' ht. limit.

[Shirley]

Also, they aren't undocumented laborers you arrogant, arrogant person.

Yeah, that was a weird assumption. And even weirder justification.

Remember, seahawk is talking about Florida.

I previously mentioned the 70-something housing development we built a house in Orlando back in 2012. After we'd lived there a while I mentioned to the salesman, who was onsite 9-5 in his office in the "show" house, that I'd never seen construction workers work until dark 7 days a week, and on holidays, like these guys did.

(Note: The only people on the work sites who weren't Hispanic were the electricians, HVAC, etc., subcontractors, who didn't work at night and on weekends.)

He said that they were all from south of the border, primarily Mexico but I remember Nicaragua coming up, and the builder had "foreman" who were legal who worked with them all the time, who were able to fill their needs with "skilled" laborers as the jobs came and went, with guys that were probably illegal.

That wasn't much of a surprise, but what he told me next, was. The crew was paid by the house, not by the hour. The faster they finished a house the sooner they could collect their money and start building another one. The more houses, the more $. He said they're only in the US to make $, so they would rather work as many hours a day as they can rather than waste their time hanging out, away from their families. Finishing developments faster is to the builder's benefit, too.

(Win/win for both, as long as the crews hide everything behind drywall, and it doesn't collapse for several years.)

Several years ago I was in KC driving south on Mission, and took the last right before you go under 435. That area just N of 435 between Mission and Roe was building out, mostly with apartments and a little retail, if I recall. I was stunned. Stunned, at all the Caucasians working on the job sites. I was so stunned, I mentioned it to my mother.

[seahawk]

I don't control what my male neighbors do, but the "crew wants usable or burnable lumber?" So, the undocumented laborers are going to take the lumber back to their trailers to build small unpermitted houses on someone's lot where they live, so they can house more families than are legal on the lot? Yeah, I'd be real upset if my neighbor deprived them of that lumber.

And burnable--did you really say that? There are 30 foundations in my community where there were houses just a few days ago until a wildfire burned them completely down to the foundation, because someone was illegally burning. Since it's actually illegal to burn in my country now.

Jesus. Back to their trailers? Really? A lot of these guys are making $45 + an hour. Theyre not living in trailers. They use the lumber to build chicken coops and treehouses for their children. Thw contractor paid for the lumber you didnt, neither did your neighbors

And yes, burnable. Its all kiln dried doug fir. A lot of people burn wood to heat their houses. Scrap doug fir is a perfectly acceptable fuel.

Sorry reality doesnt fit your narrative.

What exactly is wrong with you that you call me "arrogant" and then mansplain some garbage about places that you've never been?

1. I happen to own a trailer in a neighborhood where the illegals who do home construction in my area live. They've built what they call on HGTV a "tiny house" across the street, behind the trailer where another family lives. And according to my tenants, a new family has moved in there.

2. There are only about 10-12 days cold enough to burn wood for home heating in N. Florida. It's not legal to have chickens in town and the illegal folks are not building tree houses. And it's almost summer, when one doesn't pile up cut up lumber for winter because the snaky snakes are mating and a lumber pile is a magnet for rattlesnakes, water moccasins and copperheads. Bonfires and all other burning are currently illegal and when you've had a fire that burned almost 600 acres and led to 500 people evacuated, police and fire folks are going to be at your trailer door in a NY minute.

3. I'd highly doubt that the illegals building the house across the street are earning $45/an hour. And maybe all these folks who speak no English whatsoever are not illegal or maybe when I ask them in Spanish where they're from and they reply "Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador," they're lying. Or maybe you should stop trying to lecture me about parts of the country where you've never been.

ETA: What Feral says about working to 7 pm is true. I walk my dogs past monster houses where the hispanic guys are still up three stories putting on metal roofs at 7 pm.

[TDub]

I don't control what my male neighbors do, but the "crew wants usable or burnable lumber?" So, the undocumented laborers are going to take the lumber back to their trailers to build small unpermitted houses on someone's lot where they live, so they can house more families than are legal on the lot? Yeah, I'd be real upset if my neighbor deprived them of that lumber.

And burnable--did you really say that? There are 30 foundations in my community where there were houses just a few days ago until a wildfire burned them completely down to the foundation, because someone was illegally burning. Since it's actually illegal to burn in my country now.

Jesus. Back to their trailers? Really? A lot of these guys are making $45 + an hour. Theyre not living in trailers. They use the lumber to build chicken coops and treehouses for their children. Thw contractor paid for the lumber you didnt, neither did your neighbors

And yes, burnable. Its all kiln dried doug fir. A lot of people burn wood to heat their houses. Scrap doug fir is a perfectly acceptable fuel.

Sorry reality doesnt fit your narrative.

What exactly is wrong with you that you call me "arrogant" and then mansplain some garbage about places that you've never been?

1. I happen to own a trailer in a neighborhood where the illegals who do home construction in my area live. They've built what they call on HGTV a "tiny house" across the street, behind the trailer where another family lives. And according to my tenants, a new family has moved in there.

2. There are only about 10-12 days cold enough to burn wood for home heating in N. Florida. It's not legal to have chickens in town and the illegal folks are not building tree houses. And it's almost summer, when one doesn't pile up cut up lumber for winter because the snaky snakes are mating and a lumber pile is a magnet for rattlesnakes, water moccasins and copperheads. Bonfires and all other burning are currently illegal and when you've had a fire that burned almost 600 acres and led to 500 people evacuated, police and fire folks are going to be at your trailer door in a NY minute.

3. I'd highly doubt that the illegals building the house across the street are earning $45/an hour. And maybe all these folks who speak no English whatsoever are not illegal or maybe when I ask them in Spanish where they're from and they reply "Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador," they're lying. Or maybe you should stop trying to lecture me about parts of the country where you've never been.

ETA: What Feral says about working to 7 pm is true. I walk my dogs past monster houses where the hispanic guys are still up three stories putting on metal roofs at 7 pm.

So what youre saying is that you are only speaking about what happens in your exact neighborhood. Ive been in construction for 20 years and worked in 4 different states. Im calling you arrogant because you believe what happens in your neighborhood is what is important and is able to be a blanket statement across the country. Im not masplaining anything, I'm telling you what its like in other parts of the country that arent in the bubble you live in.

Sorry again if that doesnt fit your narrative.

[Deleted User 89]

hate to barge in on something not directed at me, but it would seem each perspective is “truer” depending on geography and socioeconomic patterns

in regions/areas where there is a higher “immigrant” population (i.e. areas geographically closer to Mexico), or where that population is more segregated to certain parts of a city, you’ll be more likely to see what seahawk describes

here in SLC, depending on which Home Depot you visit (and where it’s located), you may or may not see “illegal” immigrants looking for work out front

[Deleted User 89]

TDub, are all the states you’ve worked construction in located in the Pacific Northwest?

[PhDhawk]

hate to barge in on something not directed at me, but it would seem each perspective is “truer” depending on geography and socioeconomic patterns

in regions/areas where there is a higher “immigrant” population (i.e. areas geographically closer to Mexico), or where that population is more segregated to certain parts of a city, you’ll be more likely to see what seahawk describes

here in SLC, depending on which Home Depot you visit (and where it’s located), you may or may not see “illegal” immigrants looking for work out front

So that's one explamation for why she might assume their race. Not sure how it explains this as justification of taking lumber that isn't yours.

So, the undocumented laborers are going to take the lumber back to their trailers to build small unpermitted houses on someone's lot where they live, so they can house more families than are legal on the lot?

[pdub]

I think no matter what the crew may or may not do with leftover lumber you should still not go on a job site and steal it.

[PhDhawk]

Weird thing to assume that's what they'd do with it as opposed to say, using it to build a bookshelf or a desk or birdfeeder.

[Deleted User 289]

What I find weird is how a thread about another Black American being killed because he was Black became a conversation about wood/lumber.

[PhDhawk]

What I find weird is how a thread about another Black American being killed because he was Black became a conversation about wood/lumber.

Are you new here?

[ousdahl]

So then this wood be the point when the thread turns to puns?

[Deleted User 89]

need another thread to splinter off of this one

[seahawk]

So what youre saying is that you are only speaking about what happens in your exact neighborhood. Ive been in construction for 20 years and worked in 4 different states. Im calling you arrogant because you believe what happens in your neighborhood is what is important and is able to be a blanket statement across the country. Im not masplaining anything, I'm telling you what its like in other parts of the country that arent in the bubble you live in.

Sorry again if that doesnt fit your narrative.

I never claimed to speak about anything but my neighborhood and in fact, said "My neighborhood/my neighbors" in 4 or 5 posts. But you disputed what I said about my own neighborhood. And I did look up Glynn County, Georgia and Brunswick, GA and the neighborhood where this took place and that county and that neighborhood--even before you started in with your usual mansplaining lecture at me. That county and that neighborhood are rather more like my own than the Pacific Northwest. Except that the houses on the water are quite a bit less expensive than where I live.

[pdub]

Nailed it.

[seahawk]

So that's one explamation for why she might assume their race.

I didn't "assume their race." I have spoken with the guys on the site while trying to catch my escaped dog who loves that property.

Weird thing to assume that's what they'd do with it as opposed to say, using it to build a bookshelf or a desk or birdfeeder.

Talk about arrogant. Men that work from 6:30 am until 7 PM and have a 40 minute drive each way are going to build bird feeders after work each night?

[pdub]

That’d be a lot of bird feeders if it was every night.

[PhDhawk]

So that's one explamation for why she might assume their race.

I didn't "assume their race." I have spoken with the guys on the site while trying to catch my escaped dog who loves that property.

Weird thing to assume that's what they'd do with it as opposed to say, using it to build a bookshelf or a desk or birdfeeder.

Talk about arrogant. Men that work from 6:30 am until 7 PM and have a 40 minute drive each way are going to build bird feeders after work each night?

I didn't make any assumptions about what they used the wood for. My assumption is they didn't do anything with it because your friend stole it. So if that makes me arrogant so be it.

I'd rather be arrogant than assume that someone is breaking the law in his spare time based his on profession and race.