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[twocoach]

Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.

Certainly makes factual causation tougher, but prosecutors will find someone pretty easily to tie it together.

It feels like the defense could also easily find an expert who could separate the two actions enough to create "reasonable doubt" if the jury is amenable to it. Ugh, what a mess.

[Shirley]

Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.

Yeah, I just saw that, too. Man, this will be an interesting case for sure.

No doubt the family's attorney has started the process of getting their own pathologist to do an autopsy for a second opinion.

[Deleted User 89]

Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.

“and any potential intoxicants”

is that normal language in one of these kinds of statements?

honest question

[CrimsonNBlue]

Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.

Certainly makes factual causation tougher, but prosecutors will find someone pretty easily to tie it together.

It feels like the defense could also easily find an expert who could separate the two actions enough to create "reasonable doubt" if the jury is amenable to it. Ugh, what a mess.

He'll have a very capable and paid defense team by DC's favorite private police union.

[DCHawk1]

Also curious to see if the other 3 are charged, including the other 2 videoed on his back.

[CrimsonNBlue]

what makes you guys think he’ll walk?

Is there some particular detail?

...besides the fact cops walk for killing people of color all the fucking time...

Here's what I was referencing earlier, .06-.066.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609

[jfish26]

Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.

Certainly makes factual causation tougher, but prosecutors will find someone pretty easily to tie it together.

I guess I don't see this report as all that helpful.

Seems like it's ready-made for a prosecutor to identify where in the tape he goes unresponsive, set a timer to when the knee comes off, and ask the jury to try to hold their breath.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.

Certainly makes factual causation tougher, but prosecutors will find someone pretty easily to tie it together.

I guess I don't see this report as all that helpful.

Seems like it's ready-made for a prosecutor to identify where in the tape he goes unresponsive, set a timer to when the knee comes off, and ask the jury to try to hold their breath.

I don't see that as relevant/admissible for the factual causation element, but perhaps for the depraved mind element(s). I think DC is trying to say the ME will hurt the causation element.

[jfish26]

Gross.

[Deleted User 89]

Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.

Certainly makes factual causation tougher, but prosecutors will find someone pretty easily to tie it together.

I guess I don't see this report as all that helpful.

Seems like it's ready-made for a prosecutor to identify where in the tape he goes unresponsive, set a timer to when the knee comes off, and ask the jury to try to hold their breath.

that’s some made-for-tv shit right there

[DCHawk1]

Didn't say it should. Just that it could.

[jfish26]

Didn't say it should. Just that it could.

Oh, I get it. And it's 100% what will happen.

And it's gross.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Didn't say it should. Just that it could.

Yes, my bad.

It would be malpractice not to bring it up.

[Deleted User 289]

Sorry if posted elsewhere but here is the murder complaint. I agree, Chauvin "walks".

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/29/ ... t-minutes/

[DCHawk1]

In fact, in real life, you don't have to deprive a guy with hypertensive heart disease of oxygen for long before you effectively kill him.


And along those lines, I still want to know what happened that he ended up on the ground, already cuffed, with three guys on him -- because the reports say he was telling officers he couldn't breathe before the original video.

[Geezer]

Jury is all white, the cop walks.

[Deleted User 289]

In fact, in real life, you don't have to deprive a guy with hypertensive heart disease of oxygen for long before you effectively kill him.


And along those lines, I still want to know what happened that he ended up on the ground, already cuffed, with three guys on him -- because the reports say he was telling officers he couldn't breathe before the original video.

Posted this right before your post. Helps explain SOME things to SOME degree. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/29/ ... t-minutes/

[CrimsonNBlue]

I think the prosecutor may actually get a pretty favorable jury pool in Minny (it's not the south), but you never really know until it's all over.

[jfish26]

I think the prosecutor may actually get a pretty favorable jury pool in Minny (it's not the south), but you never really know until it's all over.

For KC people...trial will be in [Jackson County]. Much better spot (for the prosecutors) than [Johnson] or [Platte].

[Shirley]

Certainly makes factual causation tougher, but prosecutors will find someone pretty easily to tie it together.

I guess I don't see this report as all that helpful.

Seems like it's ready-made for a prosecutor to identify where in the tape he goes unresponsive, set a timer to when the knee comes off, and ask the jury to try to hold their breath.

I don't see that as relevant/admissible for the factual causation element, but perhaps for the depraved mind element(s). I think DC is trying to say the ME will hurt the causation element.

I agree, and was surprised that Fish, (seemed originally), not to agree.

I spent several years evaluating medical records for attorneys for potential med mal cases, and the last paragraph seems designed to facilitate the creation of doubt.