It feels like the defense could also easily find an expert who could separate the two actions enough to create "reasonable doubt" if the jury is amenable to it. Ugh, what a mess.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:43 pmCertainly makes factual causation tougher, but prosecutors will find someone pretty easily to tie it together.DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:34 pm Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.
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No doubt the family's attorney has started the process of getting their own pathologist to do an autopsy for a second opinion.twocoach wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:39 pmYeah, I just saw that, too. Man, this will be an interesting case for sure.DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:34 pm Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.
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“and any potential intoxicants”DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:34 pm Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.
is that normal language in one of these kinds of statements?
honest question
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He'll have a very capable and paid defense team by DC's favorite private police union.twocoach wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:46 pmIt feels like the defense could also easily find an expert who could separate the two actions enough to create "reasonable doubt" if the jury is amenable to it. Ugh, what a mess.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:43 pmCertainly makes factual causation tougher, but prosecutors will find someone pretty easily to tie it together.DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:34 pm Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.
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Also curious to see if the other 3 are charged, including the other 2 videoed on his back.
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I guess I don't see this report as all that helpful.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:43 pmCertainly makes factual causation tougher, but prosecutors will find someone pretty easily to tie it together.DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:34 pm Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.
Seems like it's ready-made for a prosecutor to identify where in the tape he goes unresponsive, set a timer to when the knee comes off, and ask the jury to try to hold their breath.
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I don't see that as relevant/admissible for the factual causation element, but perhaps for the depraved mind element(s). I think DC is trying to say the ME will hurt the causation element.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 4:02 pmI guess I don't see this report as all that helpful.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:43 pmCertainly makes factual causation tougher, but prosecutors will find someone pretty easily to tie it together.DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:34 pm Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.
Seems like it's ready-made for a prosecutor to identify where in the tape he goes unresponsive, set a timer to when the knee comes off, and ask the jury to try to hold their breath.
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that’s some made-for-tv shit right therejfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 4:02 pmI guess I don't see this report as all that helpful.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:43 pmCertainly makes factual causation tougher, but prosecutors will find someone pretty easily to tie it together.DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:34 pm Now, don't get pissy with me. I'm not saying he should walk. And I'm not saying this is a good excuse. This, in fact, is WHY you don't put your knee on a guy's neck, even if you know it won't choke him to death. Cuz a guy with hypertensive heart disease just might fucking die anyway. I'm just saying that this -- plus a toxicology report, if there's anything in it -- will be an issue.
Seems like it's ready-made for a prosecutor to identify where in the tape he goes unresponsive, set a timer to when the knee comes off, and ask the jury to try to hold their breath.
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Didn't say it should. Just that it could.
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Sorry if posted elsewhere but here is the murder complaint. I agree, Chauvin "walks".
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/29/ ... t-minutes/
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In fact, in real life, you don't have to deprive a guy with hypertensive heart disease of oxygen for long before you effectively kill him.
And along those lines, I still want to know what happened that he ended up on the ground, already cuffed, with three guys on him -- because the reports say he was telling officers he couldn't breathe before the original video.
And along those lines, I still want to know what happened that he ended up on the ground, already cuffed, with three guys on him -- because the reports say he was telling officers he couldn't breathe before the original video.
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Jury is all white, the cop walks.
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Posted this right before your post. Helps explain SOME things to SOME degree. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/29/ ... t-minutes/DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 4:27 pm In fact, in real life, you don't have to deprive a guy with hypertensive heart disease of oxygen for long before you effectively kill him.
And along those lines, I still want to know what happened that he ended up on the ground, already cuffed, with three guys on him -- because the reports say he was telling officers he couldn't breathe before the original video.
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I think the prosecutor may actually get a pretty favorable jury pool in Minny (it's not the south), but you never really know until it's all over.
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For KC people...trial will be in [Jackson County]. Much better spot (for the prosecutors) than [Johnson] or [Platte].CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 4:33 pm I think the prosecutor may actually get a pretty favorable jury pool in Minny (it's not the south), but you never really know until it's all over.
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I agree, and was surprised that Fish, (seemed originally), not to agree.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 4:12 pmI don't see that as relevant/admissible for the factual causation element, but perhaps for the depraved mind element(s). I think DC is trying to say the ME will hurt the causation element.jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 4:02 pmI guess I don't see this report as all that helpful.CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:43 pm
Certainly makes factual causation tougher, but prosecutors will find someone pretty easily to tie it together.
Seems like it's ready-made for a prosecutor to identify where in the tape he goes unresponsive, set a timer to when the knee comes off, and ask the jury to try to hold their breath.
I spent several years evaluating medical records for attorneys for potential med mal cases, and the last paragraph seems designed to facilitate the creation of doubt.
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