COVID-19 numbers

[Deleted User 89]

it really comes down to selfishness, as do many issues in this fucking country

pandemic aside, i HAVE to wear a mask at work about 1/3 of the time, or risk serious health issues (and maybe death)

it sucks, but if you just power through, you get used to it

and, it’s not just wearing masks, but wearing them correctly. it does no good if you leave your nose exposed or wear it loosely so that it droops down to your chin

[PhDhawk]

I also love it when people remove it to cough/sneeze/or have a conversation.

I understand the impulse to do that, but that's the most important time to have a mask on.

[ousdahl]

I can’t help but wonder the reason behind folks who don’t/won’t correctly wear a mask.

[ousdahl]

Talked to a friend who heads a podcast positing one theory behind the american response to covid:

Defiance.

Our sense of “y’all can’t tell me what to do” trumps any sense of common.

[pdub]

It’s definitely politicized to the point where a group of people are not wearing masks because it bothers the libs.

There are other groups of people that are just not as concerned and that’s I think an issue that most people here will not even consider. Their minds explode.

[Deleted User 318]

It’s definitely politicized to the point where a group of people are not wearing masks because it bothers the libs.

There are other groups of people that are just not as concerned and that’s I think an issue that most people here will not even consider. Their minds explode.

https://apnews.com/9126a38ef22c244f9ca18f9584061f8d

It's 75 for 11 oppose. Those 11% are just jerks, and ruining it for everyone by being vocal. No one wants to wear a mask. Those in the 75% camp do it because we understand this is how we get back to going to sports games and getting a burger at someplace that we don't sleep adjacent to or has a golden "M" above it.

"Owning the libs" is shutting down sports, the economy, keeping millions out of work, oh, and making people wear masks longer.

[ousdahl]

"owning the libs" is also winning the senate as well as the executive branch and the federal courts.

but I didn't mean for this to get pols boredy.

defiance has been a part of Merican culture since before the declaration of independence. GTFO Brits.

I think as much as defiance/ownage has played a role in the pandemic problem, "just not as concerned" has as well. You don't have to have political motivations to just not care. Ignorance is bliss.

(back to pols tangent - how many folks do you think voted for Trump, or want to own the libs, but couldn't even tell you who Mitch McConnell is?)

but yeah, I think a big part of the problem could be folks who simply insist on getting on with their lives, for better or worse. "pandemic, meh. The important thing for me now is summer vacation."

[pdub]

That study shows 75 for.
13 for oppose.
11 for neither favor or oppose.

I'm in the 75.
I can understand the perspective of the 11 and there is some validity to it.
I also can see the perspective of the 13 but I don't think there is much validity to it.

There are people who don't consider the virus as big a threat as it is being made out to be.
I can see their perspective.

[Deleted User 318]

(back to pols tangent - how many folks do you think voted for Trump, or want to own the libs, but couldn't even tell you who Mitch McConnell is?)

If they voted for Trump, I would say 90-95%. He's has high enough name recognition that if you are going through the effort to vote, you probably know who he is.

If they support Trump, but never voted, probably 20-25%. These are just cult of personality folks who like to wear red caps to compensate how terrible their lives are, and want to cling to something. These same people are bandwagon fans and buy store brand cookies because they can't taste the difference.

[zsn]

One of the greatest things USA has/had going for it and a major cause for its success is the defiant individualism. One of greatest reasons we find ourselves in the predicament we’re in now is defiant individualism by a different group of people

[ousdahl]

nm

lulz

[TDub]

One of the greatest things USA has/had going for it and a major cause for its success is the defiant individualism. One of greatest reasons we find ourselves in the predicament we’re in now is defiant individualism by a different group of people

True.

[jfish26]

That study shows 75 for.
13 for oppose.
11 for neither favor or oppose.

I'm in the 75.
I can understand the perspective of the 11 and there is some validity to it.
I also can see the perspective of the 13 but I don't think there is much validity to it.

There are people who don't consider the virus as big a threat as it is being made out to be.
I can see their perspective.

This sort of thinking is fucking infuriating.

Science isn't a matter of opinion. Not supporting mask mandates is made up entirely of some combination of stupidity, willful ignorance and selfishness.

One might "understand the perspective" of the 11 or the 13, but we're at where we're at because those 24 somehow think that their opinions trump the science.

Fuck right off with this "on one hand, 200,000 plus deaths and a lost year, but on the other hand, minor imposition on someone's absolute right of self-determination" false equivalency.

The science is the science. On a large scale, masks fucking work. They have no material downsides. There is no usefulness in telling people you respect their views to the contrary.

[Deleted User 318]

I wanted to say that, but just didn't have the energy. It's a mask. It's not taxes, volunteering work, any other imposition other than the 30 seconds it takes during the to place on your face and off throughout the day. I know every store I go to right now has a station with free masks and hand sanitizer. I also know our local gov't gives away free masks to those in need. I've been rocking my OG mask from the spring made out of an old black T-shirt and some of my wife's hair ties (washed 2-3 times a week).

As Jim Jefferies says, we have to walk as slow as the slowest person in society. The 11% are just be obstinate and ruining it for everyone, because they want to own the libs.

[Deleted User 89]

That study shows 75 for.
13 for oppose.
11 for neither favor or oppose.

I'm in the 75.
I can understand the perspective of the 11 and there is some validity to it.
I also can see the perspective of the 13 but I don't think there is much validity to it.

There are people who don't consider the virus as big a threat as it is being made out to be.
I can see their perspective.

This sort of thinking is fucking infuriating.

Science isn't a matter of opinion. Not supporting mask mandates is made up entirely of some combination of stupidity, willful ignorance and selfishness.

One might "understand the perspective" of the 11 or the 13, but we're at where we're at because those 24 somehow think that their opinions trump the science.

Fuck right off with this "on one hand, 200,000 plus deaths and a lost year, but on the other hand, minor imposition on someone's absolute right of self-determination" false equivalency.

The science is the science. On a large scale, masks fucking work. They have no material downsides. There is no usefulness in telling people you respect their views to the contrary.

^^^^^^^^^

it’s akin to not being racist vs being anti-racism, imo

[PhDhawk]

The thing I'm more sympathetic to if financial concerns. Disagreeing about which businesses can be open/closed, etc.

But...the argument that we need to keep the economy running as much as possible is strengthened by wearing masks and social distancing, etc. But it seems that the people who don't want to wear masks are the same ones pissed that they can't go bowling, get their nails done, go to a concert or movie, or golf or be on a boat. You want to do things, well, many can be done with a mask on. You want the things we're not currently able to do to come back, wearing a mask helps that happen sooner.

There's certainly room for debate about how to best handle the pandemic, but I have no patience for people who deny the virus exists, or claim it's no bid deal. More than 165,000 people have died in the US. You don't get to have an opinion about factual things, 2 + 2 = 4, you don't have the right to have the opinion that you're going to treat 2 + 2 = 5.

[pdub]

I can understand viewpoints and disagree with them.

Is the argument that this is a global conspiracy to control the people valid to me? Not at all.
Is the argument that there might be reason to manipulate deaths numbers credited to covid for political reasons valid to me? No - but I can see why someone may think that as I don't have the strongest trust in the current state of the media or the government.
Is the argument that they just aren't concerned, i.e. 'fuck it, I smoke, I drink, I could get liver disease and lung cancer and people die of things everyday and I'm not going to live scared' valid to me? Somewhat. Again, i'd largely disagree because of the risk of spreading to others, but there is an argument there.

These arguments are separate from 'owning' the libs.

[jfish26]

The thing I'm more sympathetic to if financial concerns. Disagreeing about which businesses can be open/closed, etc.

But...the argument that we need to keep the economy running as much as possible is strengthened by wearing masks and social distancing, etc. But it seems that the people who don't want to wear masks are the same ones pissed that they can't go bowling, get their nails done, go to a concert or movie, or golf or be on a boat. You want to do things, well, many can be done with a mask on. You want the things we're not currently able to do to come back, wearing a mask helps that happen sooner.

There's certainly room for debate about how to best handle the pandemic, but I have no patience for people who deny the virus exists, or claim it's no bid deal. More than 165,000 people have died in the US. You don't get to have an opinion about factual things, 2 + 2 = 4, you don't have the right to have the opinion that you're going to treat 2 + 2 = 5.

Things are a lot fuzzier when it comes to what can be open and closed, how open, etc.

Masks have no such complications. There is not a single relevant downside. And there is no reason to coddle anyone put out by such a ridiculously minor imposition.

[jfish26]

I can understand viewpoints and disagree with them.

Is the argument that this is a global conspiracy to control the people valid to me? Not at all.
Is the argument that there might be reason to manipulate deaths numbers credited to covid for political reasons valid to me? No - but I can see why someone may think that as I don't have the strongest trust in the current state of the media or the government.
Is the argument that they just aren't concerned, i.e. 'fuck it, I smoke, I drink, I could get liver disease and lung cancer and people die of things everyday and I'm not going to live scared' valid to me? Somewhat. Again, i'd largely disagree because of the risk of spreading to others, but there is an argument there.

These arguments are separate from 'owning' the libs.

You know whose "viewpoint" is that they would prefer not to wear a mask? About 99.8% of the 75% who support mask mandates.

But at least those people are not so stupid, willfully ignorant and selfish to think their viewpoint entitles them to say the sky is not blue.

[zsn]

This whole surveys of mask wearing is like surveying cartoon characters if they believe that gravity will only work if you look down