actually, regardless of whether those were state or federal officials, i have no problem with the spirit of what they were trying to do. they obviously failed in their execution, but does that mean there shouldn’t be an effort to prevent poaching?TDub wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:38 pmWell, to be fair, i didn't bring upnthe environment, that was you. Maybe that's a piece we keep federally regulated. But moreso what I was getting at is that native peoples roamed the land for thousands of years and it wasnt until our technologies and desires for expansion, many driven by the governement, caused irreparable harm to the way of life and the environment.TraditionKU wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:31 ama whole lot less than it would’ve done had federal regulations and protections not been in place
i really can’t believe i’m having this argument with you, of all people
i get it, there are many things that feds shouldn’t have as much say in as they do. but environmental protections are absolutely NOT one of those things. states and individuals cannot be left to their own devices when it comes to environmental issues, because failing doesn’t just effect them.
if you own land that has a water source on it, you can do everything in your power to keep that water source pristine. but if your neighbor, or folks in another state upstream are assholes and dump chemicals down the drain, burn down all their trees, or run too many cattle, all of that byproduct flows into your property...or the wildlife disappears because your patch of forest is now an island, and not big enough to support the faunal community without your neighbor’s trees
On another note. I got guns pulled on me by federal ODFW officers while hunting because their map/boundary was wrong and i argued with them. Do we want those people having ultimate authority?
i’d be curious to know what led to their maps being wrong
and funny that you mention native peoples. the feds absolutely fucked them over, largely because of manifest destiny and the idea (held by white men) that they had the right to own land, an idea that goes against most native peoples’ traditional beliefs.
i only brought up the environment because of your blanket statement about the feds, and how they need to mind their own business and put the power in the hands of states and local communities...which, for certain things i definitely agree with you
but the feds aren’t the boogey man...individual assholes are
