George Floyd and the Ensuing Protests

[Sparko]

Very unlikely. The videos suggest he was defending property, and the later video shows he was assaulted by several people and he defended himself. Wisconsin is not California, and it's very unlikely they will take the side of the terrorists.

Sure it does. He was a terrorist from out of state illegally carrying a firearm in Wisconsin, but allowed by police to roam around and not for some reason shot seven times in his worthless back.

[Cascadia]

Very unlikely. The videos suggest he was defending property, and the later video shows he was assaulted by several people and he defended himself. Wisconsin is not California, and it's very unlikely they will take the side of the terrorists.

Lol, you’re really taking dumb to a whole new level. Papa Trump would be proud of you.

[Sparko]

Trumpjugend have to at least own theIr murders when they own the libs.

[Walrus]

Very unlikely. The videos suggest he was defending property, and the later video shows he was assaulted by several people and he defended himself. Wisconsin is not California, and it's very unlikely they will take the side of the terrorists.

Sure it does. He was a terrorist from out of state illegally carrying a firearm in Wisconsin, but allowed by police to roam around and not for some reason shot seven times in his worthless back.

Well then, they could charge him with an illegal firearm, but that's not the same thing as murder. Online support has been overwhelmingly in his favor as most people support his decision to defend the community when the police would not.

The guy who pulled the pistol on him was posing as a medical worker, he also had an illegal gun as he was a felon from previous offenses.

[jhawks99]

Did Rambo wannabe run a background check on the guy before he murdered him?

[Cascadia]

Very unlikely. The videos suggest he was defending property, and the later video shows he was assaulted by several people and he defended himself. Wisconsin is not California, and it's very unlikely they will take the side of the terrorists.

Sure it does. He was a terrorist from out of state illegally carrying a firearm in Wisconsin, but allowed by police to roam around and not for some reason shot seven times in his worthless back.

Well then, they could charge him with an illegal firearm, but that's not the same thing as murder. Online support has been overwhelmingly in his favor as most people support his decision to defend the community when the police would not.

The guy who pulled the pistol on him was posing as a medical worker, he also had an illegal gun as he was a felon from previous offenses.

This is what happens to your brain when you smoke meth.

[Deleted User 289]

[zsn]

So the punishment for evading or resisting arrest is “death, without a trial”?

[zsn]

Very unlikely. The videos suggest he was defending property, and the later video shows he was assaulted by several people and he defended himself. Wisconsin is not California, and it's very unlikely they will take the side of the terrorists.

Sure it does. He was a terrorist from out of state illegally carrying a firearm in Wisconsin, but allowed by police to roam around and not for some reason shot seven times in his worthless back.

Well then, they could charge him with an illegal firearm, but that's not the same thing as murder. Online support has been overwhelmingly in his favor as most people support his decision to defend the community when the police would not.

The guy who pulled the pistol on him was posing as a medical worker, he also had an illegal gun as he was a felon from previous offenses.

Even an untrained lawyer would successfully argue that the victim was the one practicing self defense from the Trump Jugend armed with an illegal AR-15 and was justifiably afraid for his life. As it happened.

[Deleted User 310]

Thanks for sharing that.

Like i have said, while disparities in policing for whites and blacks & black people being killed by the police is absolutely an issue worth addressing, there are much larger issues that go along with racial inequality/racial inequity that are far more prevalent in society that need addressed as well.

[ousdahl]

where are those numbers even from?

I appreciate the perspective, and don't mean to doubt them, but 375 mil? and what constitutes a police interaction? and aren't the figures about police brutality notorious for being poorly or not reported? Bear in mind, according to the police report, George Floyd suffered a medical episode.

even if the 999 is accurate, that's still almost 3 fatal police shootings , every day. Is that really the society we want?

[zsn]

Thanks for sharing that.

Like i have said, while disparities in policing for whites and blacks & black people being killed by the police is absolutely an issue worth addressing, there are much larger issues that go along with racial inequality/racial inequity that are far more prevalent in society that need addressed as well.

BTW the George Floyd killing is not part of the numbers quoted here. No shooting needed. The police just asphyxiate unarmed black people....too many examples

[Deleted User 310]

Thanks for sharing that.

Like i have said, while disparities in policing for whites and blacks & black people being killed by the police is absolutely an issue worth addressing, there are much larger issues that go along with racial inequality/racial inequity that are far more prevalent in society that need addressed as well.

BTW the George Floyd killing is not part of the numbers quoted here. No shooting needed. The police just asphyxiate unarmed black people....too many examples

The numbers are from 2019. But yes, those are from shootings. And yes, there are examples like George Floyd... although that may end up not being a great example if doctors end up saying he died from eating a bag of fentanyl, which is starting to appear the way it is headed (both due to the amount of fentanyl in his system, which was an unsurvivble amount...and also body cam footage showing him complaining of being unable to breathe before ever being put on the ground). Regardless, like i have said, what Chauvin did was absolutely wrong and he should go to jail.

I have been pretty clear that i am against the unnecessary police brutality. Not just when they shoot people, but all forms of police brutality and harassment of POC...but i also realize the vast majority of the violent killings that go in our country are not committed by cops.

It is white people killing other white people. Where are the all lives matter people for those?

It is the black people killing other black people? Where are the black lives matter and all lives matter people for those?...there are a lot of inner city protests in various communities about the black on black crime, but almost ZERO media coverage about those protests and those incidents. Why is that? It is almost like the media only cares when it fits whichever agenda they are pushing (that goes for Fox and CNN).

[Deleted User 310]

Video worth watching from a black guy who shares his perspective on current events unfolding....not trying to go all walrus here, but i thought he had some reasonable points...and some less reasonable points too. But take it fwiw. It is just one man's opinion.

(Not saying i agree with everything he says because i dont, but hell tbh a lot of times white people aren't qualified to agree or disagree with a black person's perspective regardless since we havent lived their experience)


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 6430022293

[Deleted User 289]

where are those numbers even from?

I appreciate the perspective, and don't mean to doubt them, but 375 mil? and what constitutes a police interaction? and aren't the figures about police brutality notorious for being poorly or not reported? Bear in mind, according to the police report, George Floyd suffered a medical episode.

even if the 999 is accurate, that's still almost 3 fatal police shootings , every day. Is that really the society we want?

Excellent first question!
Simply posted/shared something someone I know had posted.
I have ZERO idea what the source was/is nor do I have any idea if the numbers are accurate.
Just felt it was a good conversation starter.

Excellent third question! If I talk to a cop does that constitute an interaction?

Excellent fourth question! I don't know the answer.

Excellent fifth question. MY answer is no. Except if it means there is one less horrible person in the world that would have had killed someone, wouldn't have had remorse, wouldn't have been caught nor punished, and would have killed others. Then I say, good riddance.

[Sparko]

Epistemic closure. Gutter shared a completely undocumented piece of garbage from a Russian disinformation campaign laundered through a right wing nut site. IJH shares a similar anecdotal “I have black friends” advocacy video and drops heavy suggestions about the victim of police violence being a raging drug abuser who would have died anyway. Jeebus. Doing the right thing, questioning your sources for God’s sake, would go a long way. Trump is what you get when you stop using common sense.

[Sparko]

where are those numbers even from?

I appreciate the perspective, and don't mean to doubt them, but 375 mil? and what constitutes a police interaction? and aren't the figures about police brutality notorious for being poorly or not reported? Bear in mind, according to the police report, George Floyd suffered a medical episode.

even if the 999 is accurate, that's still almost 3 fatal police shootings , every day. Is that really the society we want?

A right wing nut. That is where this is from.

[Deleted User 310]

Epistemic closure. Gutter shared a completely undocumented piece of garbage from a Russian disinformation campaign laundered through a right wing nut site. IJH shares a similar anecdotal “I have black friends” advocacy video and drops heavy suggestions about the victim of police violence being a raging drug abuser who would have died anyway. Jeebus. Doing the right thing, questioning your sources for God’s sake, would go a long way. Trump is what you get when you stop using common sense.

That wasnt an i have black friends video. I dont know that guy. I found his video interesting even though i dont agree with everything he said (which i made sure to point out).

I didnt drop heavy suggestions about george floyds level of fentanyl in his system. The autopsy showed he had an almost unsurvivable amount of fentanyl in his system when he died. The body cam footage is the body cam footage and it shows him saying he cant breathe before he is ever on the ground. Those are facts. I am not sure what is wrong with mentioning those? I am not saying he would have died anyway, what i am saying is that there is a chance he died from the fentanyl OD and not from getting kneeled on (autopsy was inconclusive as there were multiple factors, but still ruled homicide iirc). I still make sure to mention that Chauvin was absolutely wrong for kneeling on his neck for 9min while he was handcuffed and until he died. He should go to jail for that becuase his death was ruled a homicide.

""Baker listed in his autopsy that Floyd's death was the result of a “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” Other significant conditions were listed as “arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use.”"

""Chief Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker said there was "no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation," according to documents obtained by the court as part of a lawsuit from one of the officers involved in Floyd's arrest, Tou Thao.""

You want a perfect situation where the facts are indisputable then we should be talking about Tamir Rice. He was murdered while playing in a park. He was shot less than 3seconds after the cop got out of his car iirc.

I am in full support of reform to the police. Most notably holding them accountable when they fuck up and especially when they fuck up and someone loses their life (whether that person is a criminal or not....whether that person is a drug user or not. Period.).

It is so crazy that no matter how much i have condemned Chauvin, indicated my unwavering support for the idea behind the black lives matter movement, and said i am in favor of significant reform to police, that the moment anything other than EXACTLY what some of you want the narrative to be is said you attack whoever it is.

[Deleted User 310]

where are those numbers even from?

I appreciate the perspective, and don't mean to doubt them, but 375 mil? and what constitutes a police interaction? and aren't the figures about police brutality notorious for being poorly or not reported? Bear in mind, according to the police report, George Floyd suffered a medical episode.

even if the 999 is accurate, that's still almost 3 fatal police shootings , every day. Is that really the society we want?

A right wing nut. That is where this is from.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 322455002/

As far as other ways of killing here is a quote from the article...from my fact checking my sources from a few other sites these seem to lineup fairly closely...

"Mapping Police Violence, a crowdsourced database that includes deaths by vehicle, tasering or beating in addition to shootings, estimates 25 police killings of unarmed Black men in 2019."

So gutters right wing nut job disinformation campaign is pretty accurate according to usatoday. 13 unarmed black men killed by police shooting in 2019, but they do point out why those numbers are always lagging or can have inaccuracies....

"But even though data on fatalities at the hands of police is underreported and the actual number is likely higher, the Washington Post’s database has reported 13 instances of police shooting and killing unarmed Black men (plus one instance of police shooting and killing an unarmed Black woman) in 2019. "

[Deleted User 289]

Epistemic closure. Gutter shared a completely undocumented piece of garbage from a Russian disinformation campaign laundered through a right wing nut site. IJH shares a similar anecdotal “I have black friends” advocacy video and drops heavy suggestions about the victim of police violence being a raging drug abuser who would have died anyway. Jeebus. Doing the right thing, questioning your sources for God’s sake, would go a long way. Trump is what you get when you stop using common sense.

I'm sincerely interested to know how you know these was from a "Russian disinformation campaign".
It very well may be.
You can define what I shared as you please.
I NEVER made any type of disclaimer nor did I express if I felt/knew it was factual. The exact reason why I posted it was for people to question and discuss it.

I almost always "check sources" when I am leery of something - being that I am one of the most cynical people on this site.
Guess what? Soon after I made the post, I myself "researched" the numbers.
I wonder, did anyone else bother to?

Interesting to me that the first statement seems to be completely false - but it all depends on how we want to define "interactions". Like I said in an earlier post, if I go talk to a cop on the street just to have a conversation - does that count as an "interaction"?

The second statement seems to be 100% correct.

The 3rd statement seems to be off by 1.

I have no idea about the 4th statement.