Dumbfuck in charge

[Deleted User 318]

Woodward also might have been able to prevent 100k+ deaths by releasing these recordings in April.

I doubt GOP governors would've made a change due to Woodward's tapes. This is on the federal government not taking charges, and governors who have and still have been inactive.

[Deleted User 318]

Can he be impeached for this? 180,000 are dead...

He can be impeached for anything. Will he be removed. Heck no. GOP complicit.

[Deleted User 310]

So that basically means Fauci lied for months also?

how so?

when did Fauci ever downplay the severity? maybe i’m wrong, but i recall him always following the science

For several months Fauci said they were unsure if it was airborne and said we didn't need masks.

It was damn near summer before they publicly said it was airborne iirc.

[jfish26]

Woodward also might have been able to prevent 100k+ deaths by releasing these recordings in April.

I doubt GOP governors would've made a change due to Woodward's tapes. This is on the federal government not taking charges, and governors who have and still have been inactive.

I'm not sure that's true - if we'd known in April that Trump 100% knew in February, and lied throughout February and March, I think the path might very well have been different.

[sdoyel]

I ain't gonna shoot the messenger. Trump said what he said.

Better now than November 4th.

[jfish26]

[Deleted User 318]

Woodward also might have been able to prevent 100k+ deaths by releasing these recordings in April.

I doubt GOP governors would've made a change due to Woodward's tapes. This is on the federal government not taking charges, and governors who have and still have been inactive.

I'm not sure that's true - if we'd known in April that Trump 100% knew in February, and lied throughout February and March, I think the path might very well have been different.

WHO, our own federal government, and New York state all had the facts that this was going to be bad in April. There was inaction until May/June, when some states couldn't ignore it any more. There are still like 50k new cases a day, and 1k deaths. Many states have still done nothing.

Perhaps going forward will answer. We now know it's bad, and Trump lied. Do you expect anyone to change anything?

[jfish26]

[Deleted User 310]

I doubt GOP governors would've made a change due to Woodward's tapes. This is on the federal government not taking charges, and governors who have and still have been inactive.

I'm not sure that's true - if we'd known in April that Trump 100% knew in February, and lied throughout February and March, I think the path might very well have been different.

WHO, our own federal government, and New York state all had the facts that this was going to be bad in April. There was inaction until May/June, when some states couldn't ignore it any more. There are still like 50k new cases a day, and 1k deaths. Many states have still done nothing.

Perhaps going forward will answer. We now know it's bad, and Trump lied. Do you expect anyone to change anything?

Nope. Half of our country doesn't care because it doesn't kill 99%+ of the people who get it.

[jfish26]

I doubt GOP governors would've made a change due to Woodward's tapes. This is on the federal government not taking charges, and governors who have and still have been inactive.

I'm not sure that's true - if we'd known in April that Trump 100% knew in February, and lied throughout February and March, I think the path might very well have been different.

WHO, our own federal government, and New York state all had the facts that this was going to be bad in April. There was inaction until May/June, when some states couldn't ignore it any more. There are still like 50k new cases a day, and 1k deaths. Many states have still done nothing.

Perhaps going forward will answer. We now know it's bad, and Trump lied. Do you expect anyone to change anything?

"Do" I? Now? No.

But all of this denial and dereliction comes from licking Trump's boots. If he'd been truthful, responses would have been better.

[Deleted User 318]

I'm not sure that's true - if we'd known in April that Trump 100% knew in February, and lied throughout February and March, I think the path might very well have been different.

WHO, our own federal government, and New York state all had the facts that this was going to be bad in April. There was inaction until May/June, when some states couldn't ignore it any more. There are still like 50k new cases a day, and 1k deaths. Many states have still done nothing.

Perhaps going forward will answer. We now know it's bad, and Trump lied. Do you expect anyone to change anything?

"Do" I? Now? No.

But all of this denial and dereliction comes from licking Trump's boots. If he'd been truthful, responses would have been better.

If he had been truthful is a lot different than if he had lied, and Woodward released in April.

If Trump took his private view as his public facing position, we probably save at least 200k lives, the economy is so much better, I can go to a restaurant, and Trump is looking at 4 more years. I don't know if Woodward releasing the tapes forces Trump's hand in April or now. He's going to be as bombastic as ever. This, to me, is a Trump issue, not a Woodward issue.

[Mjl]

They aren't mutually exclusive. Both were highly unethical.

Of course, it's worse when you're the frikkin POTUS

[sdoyel]

LULZ

[jfish26]

LULZ

This tack will pass. We are going directly to the “yeah, he said it, so what” phase of things.

[twocoach]

I'm not sure that's true - if we'd known in April that Trump 100% knew in February, and lied throughout February and March, I think the path might very well have been different.

WHO, our own federal government, and New York state all had the facts that this was going to be bad in April. There was inaction until May/June, when some states couldn't ignore it any more. There are still like 50k new cases a day, and 1k deaths. Many states have still done nothing.

Perhaps going forward will answer. We now know it's bad, and Trump lied. Do you expect anyone to change anything?

Nope. Half of our country doesn't care because it doesn't kill 99%+ of the people who get it.

It's not half.

[Deleted User 318]

I just disagree with this take. Woodward, and independent author, just has no duty to anyone to make his personal tapes public. It's pushing the blame to Woodward when those in charge and have duties to the American public need to take charge.

[jfish26]

I just disagree with this take. Woodward, and independent author, just has no duty to anyone to make his personal tapes public. It's pushing the blame to Woodward when those in charge and have duties to the American public need to take charge.

But it’s not an either/or thing. Woodward did the public a disservice, in furtherance of sales. That’s true, even though it’s inarguably true that what Trump did is much worse.

[Deleted User 310]

WHO, our own federal government, and New York state all had the facts that this was going to be bad in April. There was inaction until May/June, when some states couldn't ignore it any more. There are still like 50k new cases a day, and 1k deaths. Many states have still done nothing.

Perhaps going forward will answer. We now know it's bad, and Trump lied. Do you expect anyone to change anything?

Nope. Half of our country doesn't care because it doesn't kill 99%+ of the people who get it.

It's not half.

Yes. Probably half. The best way to stop the spread is a nearly full on shutdown like the successful countries have done. We stopped our half assed shutdown far too early...and didn't shutdown nearly enough things. People became complacent and lost desire to lockdown for numerous reasons.

This is from a few months ago...

https://apnews.com/915fdbccb3434fee125efaaaaefba0af

"Half of Americans now favor stay-at-home orders, down from about 6 in 10 one month ago and 8 in 10 in April. And about 6 in 10 favor limits on how many people can gather together, down from about 7 in 10 one month ago and about 8 in 10 in April."

[Deleted User 89]

So that basically means Fauci lied for months also?

how so?

when did Fauci ever downplay the severity? maybe i’m wrong, but i recall him always following the science

For several months Fauci said they were unsure if it was airborne and said we didn't need masks.

It was damn near summer before they publicly said it was airborne iirc.

seriously, links?

the mask issue - to me it has always seemed logical that they’d help somewhat. i’d bet that Fauci was following the science. early on there wasn’t SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to support the idea that they’d help

i’m looking now to see if i can find him contradicting the WHO, which as early as january (i think) had confirmed airborne transmission. but feel free to back up your conclusions with links, if you’ve got them

edit: according to this timeline: https://keen.com/story/42598219/coronav ... fast-facts

it looks more like june or july when there was actual confirmation of airborn transmission

[jfish26]

Nope. Half of our country doesn't care because it doesn't kill 99%+ of the people who get it.

It's not half.

Yes. Probably half. The best way to stop the spread is a nearly full on shutdown like the successful countries have done. We stopped our half assed shutdown far too early...and didn't shutdown nearly enough things. People became complacent and lost desire to lockdown for numerous reasons.

This is from a few months ago...

https://apnews.com/915fdbccb3434fee125efaaaaefba0af

"Half of Americans now favor stay-at-home orders, down from about 6 in 10 one month ago and 8 in 10 in April. And about 6 in 10 favor limits on how many people can gather together, down from about 7 in 10 one month ago and about 8 in 10 in April."

But that's my point: fully 1/3 of the country will believe whatever Trump tells them to believe. If he would have told the truth, our path would have been very. very different.