Strikes

[MICHHAWK]

Comrade ousdahl is working it hard today. If he put as much effort into his career as he did his propaganda, he might be one of those successful folks he pretends to hate.

So when I start my own bidness, I sincerely hope you’ll be my first employee.

I demand a minimum of $15/hr. You greedy bassturd. And free healthcare.

[Walrus]

$!5 an hour ain't happening in every state. It would kill the entire economy right now. It should be left up to the states to determine this. Raising it to $15 would just put even more non-whites out of work.

[ousdahl]

Well I was gonna be the kinda job creator who offers a living wage, but if mich will work for only $15 an hour, deal!


But I’m afraid I do have to be all capitalist about your latter request. If you want your healthcare to be free, then my suggestion to you is, don’t get sick.

[Deleted User 89]

We're clearly not on the same page. Not even sure we're referring to the same problem here.

probably my fault

i was targeting taxes, while (i think) you and ousie were focused on philanthropy

[ousdahl]

Actually, I’ll argue that being a “billionaire” in itself is fundamentally immoral, and that that’s not even a radical stance, either.

[TDub]

It's still true.

no, it’s really not

1) my presumption is the the comment was more tongue-in-cheek than anything

2) misplaced logic =\= mental deficiency

It was tongue in cheek. But, also, more to the point is that i dont think nature is the place we wanna look for fairness, equality and distribution of wealth. Nature's a pretty tough place where the weak/less hard working dont make it.

[Deleted User 89]

It's still true.

no, it’s really not

1) my presumption is the the comment was more tongue-in-cheek than anything

2) misplaced logic =\= mental deficiency

It was tongue in cheek. But, also, more to the point is that i dont think nature is the place we wanna look for fairness, equality and distribution of wealth. Nature's a pretty tough place where the weak/less hard working dont make it.

i agree

otherwise i’d have already fought or bought my way to being vaccinated

humans “can” be moral and ethical...other animals not so much

[Deleted User 863]

Actually, I’ll argue that being a “billionaire” in itself is fundamentally immoral, and that that’s not even a radical stance, either.

Of course you would.

[ousdahl]

Would you prefer to argue otherwise?

[Deleted User 89]

jmo, but being a billionaire in and of itself isn’t immoral

now, ultimately it depends upon exactly how said person got to that status

someone could easily inherit billions, and come by their wealth through nothing they did personally

[PhDhawk]

jmo, but being a billionaire in and of itself isn’t immoral

now, ultimately it depends upon exactly how said person got to that status

someone could easily inherit billions, and come by their wealth through nothing they did personally

Agreed.

Or they could earn it by, making a better vaccuum and then selling billions of them globally, like the Dyson guy. I don't think starting an honest business that becomes massively successful is immoral. Dysons are good vacuums and that company employs tens of thousand of employees.

It also matters what you do when you have that kind of money. The Waltons inherited a fortune and haven't done anything with it besides sitting on stock. They had so much opportunity to do so much with that money...and they've done nothing. I take that back, the daughter killed a guy with her car once.

[ousdahl]

I guess where I’m coming from is, 1. in so many instances of a billionaire becoming a billionaire, I’d rather see the wealth distributed more evenly among all the stakeholders who contributed to the success, and 2. after distributing among stakeholders, for enough progressive taxes (and elimination of all the kooky write-offs and loopholes) to ensure a that fair share is paid, and that reasonable enough resources are in place for those who need it the most.

How radical, I know!

[Deleted User 89]

who decides, though, how much wealth is too much?

[PhDhawk]

I guess where I’m coming from is, 1. in so many instances of a billionaire becoming a billionaire, I’d rather see the wealth distributed more evenly among all the stakeholders who contributed to the success, and 2. after distributing among stakeholders, for enough progressive taxes (and elimination of all the kooky write-offs and loopholes) to ensure a that fair share is paid, and that reasonable enough resources are in place for those who need it the most.

How radical, I know!

Yes, I want the wealthy to pay their fair share in taxes. I also want to get rid of the loopholes.

But that doesn't stop billionaires from existing. If someone has $10 billion and you pass Warren's wealth tax at the highest level she's proposed, that person has $9.4 billion.

[ousdahl]

I like it when phd and I agree.

What’s your thoughts about distributing wealth among stakeholders?

how often does someone earn 10 figures as a one-person operation?

[TDub]

Actually, I’ll argue that being a “billionaire” in itself is fundamentally immoral, and that that’s not even a radical stance, either.

My god

[ousdahl]

Would you prefer to argue otherwise?

[PhDhawk]

I like it when phd and I agree.

What’s your thoughts about distributing wealth among stakeholders?

how often does someone earn 10 figures as a one-person operation?

I think it's the right thing to do, if you own a company and it's becoming profitable that you pay your employees more. I think that would be one of the real joys of owning a company.

No one gets paid a 10 figure salary. And I think that's part of what you're struggling with. Bezos doesn't get paid a billion dollar salary....and that's also why he doesn't pay any more in taxes than a dentist or an accountant. His wealth is in shares he owns in the company.

[defixione]

Actually, I’ll argue that being a “billionaire” in itself is fundamentally immoral, and that that’s not even a radical stance, either.

My god

Do we need to define immoral?

[ousdahl]

Yeah, that’s a good detail to point out.

But I still think it’s rotten when a feature of becoming a billionaire - the Bezos/Walton model, for instance - is keeping wages for employees low.