COVID-19 - On the Ground

[Deleted User 289]

We knew that about 1/3 of the population would not get the vaccine. We knew it going in.

More vaccine for me.

Why do YOU need/want a vaccine?

[Walrus]

If people want to get it, fine. Just don't try to force it on anyone.

[MICHHAWK]

As far as I know, nobody is forcing anything on anybody.

[PhDhawk]

If people want to get it, fine. Just don't try to force it on anyone.

I feel the same way about water.

[Walrus]

As far as I know, nobody is forcing anything on anybody.

True. I just have concerns they are going to require it for flying, travel, etc. Those poor school teachers are likely to be forced into it.

[pdub]

Do you think the vaccine won't work or is it even deeper state, like mind control and tracking and stuff?

[ousdahl]

Or is it just a matter of arbitrary personal freedom?

[MICHHAWK]

Those poor school teachers are likely to be forced into it.

If it gets the teachers unions back into the classroom, I am all for it.

But I fear as soon as all the teachers are vaccinated, the teachers unions will come up with their next "reason/excuse" not to go back.

[pdub]

I don't feel the vaccine should be forced on people either but I get early on, until the people who want it have access to it, restricting travel for those who have access to it but don't want it.

[Walrus]

Do you think the vaccine won't work or is it even deeper state, like mind control and tracking and stuff?

My only concerns are that we don't know how safe it is or the long term effects. There is some evidence that it can be dangerous for some people. Also, we know it will not prevent a person from getting newer strains of covid.

I know many people who have gotten flu shots in the fall and have gotten the flu really bad. Some have told me they stopped getting it because it was pointless.

[pdub]

I don't get the flu shot.
I just don't get the flu.
Despite failing/flawed arguments with no credibility, COVID is more dangerous than the flu, hence why i'll be getting the vaccine when I can.

If you don't want to, fine, but a crusade to stop those who find value in it, i.e. sane people, obviously isn't going to go over well on this bored -- not sure who you're trying to convince.

[MICHHAWK]

Everyone knows that getting the vaccine is not a guarantee that you will not get the fungus. Everyone knows getting the flu shot is not a guarantee you will not get the flu. Everyone knows this.

[Walrus]

Those poor school teachers are likely to be forced into it.

If it gets the teachers unions back into the classroom, I am all for it.

But I fear as soon as all the teachers are vaccinated, the teachers unions will come up with their next "reason/excuse" not to go back.

[Walrus]

Everyone knows that getting the vaccine is not a guarantee that you will not get the fungus. Everyone knows getting the flu shot is not a guarantee you will not get the flu. Everyone knows this.

Um... maybe the people in your inner circle understand this. But I can tell you a lot of people in California do not get this.

[sdoyel]

My dad has had both shots. 0 side effects. Pfizer.

Mom gets her first today. Not sure which one it is yet.

[MICHHAWK]

If you don't want to, fine, but a crusade to stop those who find value in it, i.e. sane people,

I know sane people that will not get the vaccine. I know healthcare workers that will not get the vaccine. Getting it, or not getting it, is not a gauge of someone's sanity.

[Walrus]

Pdub, I just want people to question if it really is as safe as the establishment is saying. There's lots of things the mainstream media is saying right now that are dangerous. I have my doubts about its safety. lIf you disagree, fine. Just keep the vaccine voluntary and everyone will be happy.

[pdub]

If the reasoning is that the vaccine hasn't been studied enough to understand side effects, then yes, OK, you are sane.

If it's because you think it's a government ploy to keep us in check, you are insane.

[Walrus]

Pdub, the other issue I have is that some people may just not be able to handle it. It could end up being safe for 96% of people, as I don't know what time will tell us about the safety. Those 4% of people might have serious side effects or even death from taking it. This is why I think keeping it voluntary is so important. Just like how any drug could be lethal for a few people, this isn't any different. I don't like these people like Fauci and Biden telling us "everyone needs to get vaccinated..." No sir, fuck off.

I think the lockdowns are to keep people in check.

[ousdahl]

After-effects?