Is the Golden Era over?

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sdoyel wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:28 pm I don’t see Dave being any better next season, TBH. Maybe he starts to rebound better, but this is who he is...

That said, I have much bigger worries with this roster than McCormack.
Pretty spot on for both.

Would just hope for more consistency, but I wouldn't expect a big jump in raw stat production.
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sdoyel wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:30 pm IMO, the single most important current player for next year is Agbaji. This guy has to go out with a major bang.
And we've already done this with him.
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CrimsonNBlue wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:29 pm
hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:28 pm
jfish26 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:26 pm

I think it is clear that, whatever Bill's offense has evolved to, it needs an aces lead guard to make it work.
Preferably two. I know it's not as easy as "rebuild some of the best teams KU has ever had" but Mario/Russ, Frank/Devonte, Devonte/Malik are really a model for how this is supposed to work.
Ty and Elijah were also nails for 2.5 months.
Yeah, at least Elijah waited until the Sweet 16 to completely shit himself.

By the way, the last three KU tourney games I saw in person were: KU/VCU, KU/Michigan, and KU/Nova. Fuck me right?
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hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:28 pm
jfish26 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:26 pm
hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:17 pm I hate to be a broken record, lol jk I don't give a shit, but there ARE a lot of good pieces on this roster that mean absolutely nothing if we don't get an above average PG. The offense was hard to watch all season. I think Harris is good and by the time he's a senior we're looking at a very good player, but not now and not next season either.
I think it is clear that, whatever Bill's offense has evolved to, it needs an aces lead guard to make it work.
Preferably two. I know it's not as easy as "rebuild some of the best teams KU has ever had" but Mario/Russ, Frank/Devonte, Devonte/Malik are really a model for how this is supposed to work.
Agree. This was just a mess of a non-plan on offense. There were leaks late in the year that Bill was surprised Dotson stayed in the draft - really?
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hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:32 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:29 pm
hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:28 pm

Preferably two. I know it's not as easy as "rebuild some of the best teams KU has ever had" but Mario/Russ, Frank/Devonte, Devonte/Malik are really a model for how this is supposed to work.
Ty and Elijah were also nails for 2.5 months.
Yeah, at least Elijah waited until the Sweet 16 to completely shit himself.

By the way, the last three KU tourney games I saw in person were: KU/VCU, KU/Michigan, and KU/Nova. Fuck me right?
You watched the un-holy trinity of the 2010’s almost. Be thankful you werent at the worst, the Northern Iowa game.
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Agbaji has to be better. Braun has so much talent but no confidence. How many times did he turn down rhythm threes this season? He's way too good to pass on those. In the game tonight he passed on a catch and shoot only to settle for a horrendous looking stepback.
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hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:32 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:29 pm
hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:28 pm

Preferably two. I know it's not as easy as "rebuild some of the best teams KU has ever had" but Mario/Russ, Frank/Devonte, Devonte/Malik are really a model for how this is supposed to work.
Ty and Elijah were also nails for 2.5 months.
Yeah, at least Elijah waited until the Sweet 16 to completely shit himself.

By the way, the last three KU tourney games I saw in person were: KU/VCU, KU/Michigan, and KU/Nova. Fuck me right?
2012 Elijah only.


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pdub wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:32 pm DMac 2021-22:
15.6 ppg, 7 rpg, 55% FG.
That’s fine, but this can’t be our go-to guys counting stats.

We need HELP!
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pdub wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:32 pm DMac 2021-22:
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Yeah, I think for this roster to reach its full potential, it’s prob not running through Dave.

It’s prob with Dave playing something closer to a rich man’s Landen Lucas kinda role. But that also mean we’re running the team with quality guard play, and the thing about that is
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hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:33 pm Agbaji has to be better. Braun has so much talent but no confidence. How many times did he turn down rhythm threes this season? He's way too good to pass on those. In the game tonight he passed on a catch and shoot only to settle for a horrendous looking stepback.
The one he didn't take in the corner was absurd. If that's not the shot you're looking for, exactly what is?
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LVCHawk wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:33 pm
hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:32 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:29 pm

Ty and Elijah were also nails for 2.5 months.
Yeah, at least Elijah waited until the Sweet 16 to completely shit himself.

By the way, the last three KU tourney games I saw in person were: KU/VCU, KU/Michigan, and KU/Nova. Fuck me right?
You watched the un-holy trinity of the 2010’s almost. Be thankful you werent at the worst, the Northern Iowa game.
Is there a thread for the toughest-to-take KU defeats in the Bill era? Because I'm solidly Northern Iowa.
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sdoyel wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:49 pm Someone give me a reason to be excited for next year’s squad?
I think that McCormack will take another step up and that Wilson will improve as well. I think Agbaji will get told at pre draft meetings to put up a thousand shots a day and go back to school for another year a la Svi. I think Braun will be better because honestly, how could he not get better? Harris will be genuinely fun to watch next year. And I think we'll pursue a transfer guard who can score.
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jfish26 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:33 pm
hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:28 pm
jfish26 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:26 pm

I think it is clear that, whatever Bill's offense has evolved to, it needs an aces lead guard to make it work.
Preferably two. I know it's not as easy as "rebuild some of the best teams KU has ever had" but Mario/Russ, Frank/Devonte, Devonte/Malik are really a model for how this is supposed to work.
Agree. This was just a mess of a non-plan on offense. There were leaks late in the year that Bill was surprised Dotson stayed in the draft - really?
Self (and he knows it and has practically said it) has had a very off year running this program. Through recruiting, development, X’s and O’s, you name it... He will cite Covid. Fine. We get it. But still...
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jfish26 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:34 pm
hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:33 pm Agbaji has to be better. Braun has so much talent but no confidence. How many times did he turn down rhythm threes this season? He's way too good to pass on those. In the game tonight he passed on a catch and shoot only to settle for a horrendous looking stepback.
The one he didn't take in the corner was absurd. If that's not the shot you're looking for, exactly what is?
When Braun is cocky as shit, he's good. And, then he will turn into the exact opposite personality in a heartbeat. Makes no sense.
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ousdahl wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:34 pm
It’s prob with Dave playing something closer to a rich man’s Landen Lucas kinda role.
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twocoach wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:34 pm
sdoyel wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:49 pm Someone give me a reason to be excited for next year’s squad?
I think that McCormack will take another step up and that Wilson will improve as well. I think Agbaji will get told at pre draft meetings to put up a thousand shots a day and go back to school for another year a la Svi. I think Braun will be better because honestly, how could he not get better? Harris will be genuinely fun to watch next year. And I think we'll pursue a transfer guard who can score.
Braun has to be a 6th man type next year. It’s a step back for him, but this team will be better off. That said, Self needs to have the right off-season for this to happen.
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sdoyel wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:36 pm
twocoach wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:34 pm
sdoyel wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:49 pm Someone give me a reason to be excited for next year’s squad?
I think that McCormack will take another step up and that Wilson will improve as well. I think Agbaji will get told at pre draft meetings to put up a thousand shots a day and go back to school for another year a la Svi. I think Braun will be better because honestly, how could he not get better? Harris will be genuinely fun to watch next year. And I think we'll pursue a transfer guard who can score.
Braun has to be a 6th man type next year. It’s a step back for him, but this team will be better off. That said, Self needs to have the right off-season for this to happen.
Everyone was playing one role too big.
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hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:34 pm
LVCHawk wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:33 pm
hasbeen wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:32 pm

Yeah, at least Elijah waited until the Sweet 16 to completely shit himself.

By the way, the last three KU tourney games I saw in person were: KU/VCU, KU/Michigan, and KU/Nova. Fuck me right?
You watched the un-holy trinity of the 2010’s almost. Be thankful you werent at the worst, the Northern Iowa game.
Is there a thread for the toughest-to-take KU defeats in the Bill era? Because I'm solidly Northern Iowa.
Got arrested after that one so I’m with you.
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