Would you be on the Jury?

[ousdahl]

Supervisor says the hold on Floyd should have been released at least 5 minutes before chauvin did, that he should have let up the moment Floyd was cuffed and complaint

[ousdahl]

[Walrus]

I don't think anyone believes using his knee was a smart thing to do. The problem lies with the fact that the department trained them this way. The chief was also not white, so this wasn't racist training. Brutal training? Sure. If I had to predict what will happen, Chauvin gets manslaughter, and the rest get off.

[ousdahl]

I don't think anyone believes using his knee was a smart thing to do. The problem lies with the fact that the department trained them this way. The chief was also not white, so this wasn't racist training. Brutal training? Sure. If I had to predict what will happen, Chauvin gets manslaughter, and the rest get off.

Police captain, sergeant, supervisor testifying as well.

Chauvin’s supervisor says the policy cops are trained to do is to lay a restrained person on their side in the “hobble position,” so they can breathe easier without complications, even if officers still have to put their weight on the guy

Supervisor says the hold on Floyd should have been released at least 5 minutes before chauvin did, that he should have let up the moment Floyd was cuffed and complaint

[Walrus]

Maybe that's what they say now, but their past shows a different picture...

[ousdahl]

Maybe that's what they say now, but their past shows a different picture...

“Place the subject in the recovery position to alleviate potential asphyxia.”

Once again dude, you aren’t even reading the shit you post.

[Overlander]

Chauvin knew Floyd was dying. He fucking knew.

[Walrus]

The problem is, a picture is worth a thousand words. And besides, Floyd was not the only person to die from this training. No one is arguing that the training was the correct approach, but it wasn't anything new at the time. I'm glad to see them overhaul the way they do things -- it's been long overdue. Police brutality has been a real issue.

[ousdahl]

if a picture is worth a thousand words, then how much is a 9 minute video worth?

[CrimsonNBlue]

if a picture is worth a thousand words, then how much is a 9 minute video worth?

$27,000,000

[ousdahl]

I saw one op-ed somewhere the other day that suggested one of the ways to most effectively reform policing is to hold the police responsible for paying settlements. Make it come out of their own budgets, rather than making taxpayers foot the bill.

[Deleted User 89]

they’d all go broke

[Overlander]

The problem is, a picture is worth a thousand words. And besides, Floyd was not the only person to die from this training. No one is arguing that the training was the correct approach, but it wasn't anything new at the time. I'm glad to see them overhaul the way they do things -- it's been long overdue. Police brutality has been a real issue.

I know you are the resident expert on all things. But let me share a whole shit ton of training and real world experience.

Numerous techniques for take down and restraint exist AND are accepted as safe.
Some are indeed uncomfortable, even painful to the recipient.

Nothing, and let me be perfectly clear here, NOTHING is an acceptable restraint for an offender who is under control and in restraints. That has never NOT been the case.

[Walrus]

Never said I was resident expert on all things. Some things, yes. Am I an expert on KU basketball? Not really. Am I an expert on cooking? No.

I know you work in some kind of security job (or similar) right? I want to be perfectly clear when I say I do not condone putting a knee on someone's neck. I think it's a stupid way to handle that situation. My points are not based on that at all. My points have to do with the problems of the training and also that racism doesn't appear to have played a part in it.

[Deleted User 89]

please, lobs, regale us on the subjects of which you have expertise...just for future reference

edit: and being a master youtube surfer doesn’t quite qualify

[Cascadia]

please, lobs, regale us on the subjects of which you have expertise...just for future reference

edit: and being a master youtube surfer doesn’t quite qualify

Scamming family members on PPE sales.

[Deleted User 89]

please, lobs, regale us on the subjects of which you have expertise...just for future reference

edit: and being a master youtube surfer doesn’t quite qualify

Scamming family members on PPE sales.

well, of course

[Walrus]

You wouldn't believe me if I told you, so what's the point?

[Overlander]

Never said I was resident expert on all things. Some things, yes. Am I an expert on KU basketball? Not really. Am I an expert on cooking? No.

I know you work in some kind of security job (or similar) right? I want to be perfectly clear when I say I do not condone putting a knee on someone's neck. I think it's a stupid way to handle that situation. My points are not based on that at all. My points have to do with the problems of the training and also that racism doesn't appear to have played a part in it.

Yeah, I was a security guard at Radio Shack.

And, your ignorance on all subjects should clear you of pretending that racism isn't playing a huge part in these crimes.

[Overlander]

You wouldn't believe me if I told you, so what's the point?

Because it would get lost in the wood pile of lies you have built?