COVID-19 - On the Ground

[jfish26]

What message is uncle joe sending when he is standing in a field, all alone, wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated?

Is his message one of "when standing in a field, all by yourself, and you are fully vaccinated, you should still wear your mask?"

That's a great way to motivate to get the vaccine.

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

I'll let MICH answer for himself on that one, but I do think it's very unhelpful to the vaccination efforts to continue performative, unnecessary masking.

[Mjl]

What message is uncle joe sending when he is standing in a field, all alone, wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated?

Is his message one of "when standing in a field, all by yourself, and you are fully vaccinated, you should still wear your mask?"

That's a great way to motivate to get the vaccine.

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

I'll let MICH answer for himself on that one, but I do think it's very unhelpful to the vaccination efforts to continue performative, unnecessary masking.

Agreed, very much so.

[Deleted User 89]

What message is uncle joe sending when he is standing in a field, all alone, wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated?

Is his message one of "when standing in a field, all by yourself, and you are fully vaccinated, you should still wear your mask?"

That's a great way to motivate to get the vaccine.

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

you weren’t seriously expecting an answer, were you?

[Deleted User 89]

What message is uncle joe sending when he is standing in a field, all alone, wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated?

Is his message one of "when standing in a field, all by yourself, and you are fully vaccinated, you should still wear your mask?"

That's a great way to motivate to get the vaccine.

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

I'll let MICH answer for himself on that one, but I do think it's very unhelpful to the vaccination efforts to continue performative, unnecessary masking.

while i generally agree, it doesn’t matter one bit to the mich’s of the country

[hasbeen]

What message is uncle joe sending when he is standing in a field, all alone, wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated?

Is his message one of "when standing in a field, all by yourself, and you are fully vaccinated, you should still wear your mask?"

That's a great way to motivate to get the vaccine.

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

I'll let MICH answer for himself on that one, but I do think it's very unhelpful to the vaccination efforts to continue performative, unnecessary masking.

The people reporting skepticism about the vaccine are not doing so because the President of the United States continues to wear a mask, often around those who may not be vaccinated. He is the leader of the free world, a world that remains largely unvaccinated/deeply fearful of the virus. In contrast to the previous four years, I welcome extra if unnecessary precautions by someone so important here and globally.

The issues are deep-seated and will never be resolved fully, and will only ever diminish if/when businesses step up and require vaccinations. Joe Biden walking around maskless is not going to convince MICH and those like him to scramble for a vaccine. Pretending it will is The West Wing thinking which is absolutely poisonous and not based in the world we actually live in.

When I'm fully vaccinated, I will only wear a mask in a crowded, public place (while required) or when I don't feel well. But that is a personal decision. I've seen a few of your other posts and for the life of me I do not understand why a guy wearing a mask mowing his lawn is such a problem to you. Does he scold you for not doing that? If not, who cares?

[jfish26]

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

I'll let MICH answer for himself on that one, but I do think it's very unhelpful to the vaccination efforts to continue performative, unnecessary masking.

The people reporting skepticism about the vaccine are not doing so because the President of the United States continues to wear a mask, often around those who may not be vaccinated. He is the leader of the free world, a world that remains largely unvaccinated/deeply fearful of the virus. In contrast to the previous four years, I welcome extra if unnecessary precautions by someone so important here and globally.

The issues are deep-seated and will never be resolved fully, and will only ever diminish if/when businesses step up and require vaccinations. Joe Biden walking around maskless is not going to convince MICH and those like him to scramble for a vaccine. Pretending it will is The West Wing thinking which is absolutely poisonous and not based in the world we actually live in.

When I'm fully vaccinated, I will only wear a mask in a crowded, public place (while required) or when I don't feel well. But that is a personal decision. I've seen a few of your other posts and for the life of me I do not understand why a guy wearing a mask mowing his lawn is such a problem to you. Does he scold you for not doing that? If not, who cares?

I guess we're coming at this from different directions; I think my neighbor is being harmlessly silly. But I think government officials are being harmfully performatively cautious.

I think the messaging needs to be that vaccines simply are the ticket to a return to normalcy. Yes, including as to masking.

[Deleted User 865]

What message is uncle joe sending when he is standing in a field, all alone, wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated?

Is his message one of "when standing in a field, all by yourself, and you are fully vaccinated, you should still wear your mask?"

That's a great way to motivate to get the vaccine.

Did you support the proposed abduction of your governor?

I'll let MICH answer for himself on that one, but I do think it's very unhelpful to the vaccination efforts to continue performative, unnecessary masking.

Eh, I feel like it's a "If I can do it in a low risk area, you can do it in a high risk area." Like Jarrod Dyson wearing masks in right. He doesn't need to, but man, if he can make an outfield assist at second to catch the lead runner on a single with a mask on, you can fucking mask up while loading up your cart with Tostinos pizzas.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I think everyone is kind of right, here.

But, to hasbeen's point, this is why I applaud the Buffalo Bills. If you want an idiot to do what's best for everyone and get the vax, only way is to take away football.

[hasbeen]

I think that has been the message. Biden's Chief of Staff emphasizes it every time I hear him talk. But just because that's the correct message doesn't mean it's an effective message. A significant chunk of the Republican Party thinks Dem elites are child molesters -- are they going to listen to Joe Biden when he talks up the importance of vaccines?

Now, if we want to talk about the horrendous messaging from public health officials and politicians from both parties over the last year? I'm in. There was far too much discussion of what people couldn't do and not near enough discussion of what was safe, i.e. limiting the number of people at your gathering and keeping it outside. Also, way too much beach scolding.

But I'm not with you folks on the masks stuff -- they are a good thing to emphasize in crowded places pandemic or not. That said, I'm well aware the US isn't going to suddenly turn culturally to align with Asian countries on them.

[hasbeen]

One other thing, if we imagine a world where Joe Biden walks around maskless and says "I'm able to do this because I'm vaccinated," do we really think this erodes vaccine skepticism? I don't. I think MICH-types would say, "The President isn't wearing a mask, I guess the pandemic is over!" Because they aren't fucking good-faith actors, they are lunatics who will need to be compelled to vaccinate (by non-governmental entities).

[jfish26]

I think that has been the message. Biden's Chief of Staff emphasizes it every time I hear him talk. But just because that's the correct message doesn't mean it's an effective message. A significant chunk of the Republican Party thinks Dem elites are child molesters -- are they going to listen to Joe Biden when he talks up the importance of vaccines?

Now, if we want to talk about the horrendous messaging from public health officials and politicians from both parties over the last year? I'm in. There was far too much discussion of what people couldn't do and not near enough discussion of what was safe, i.e. limiting the number of people at your gathering and keeping it outside. Also, way too much beach scolding.

But I'm not with you folks on the masks stuff -- they are a good thing to emphasize in crowded places pandemic or not. That said, I'm well aware the US isn't going to suddenly turn culturally to align with Asian countries on them.

For sure. Once it became clear that outdoor activities were generally safe, and that there was almost zero risk of fomite transmission, the messaging really needed to be overhauled.

[jfish26]

One other thing, if we imagine a world where Joe Biden walks around maskless and says "I'm able to do this because I'm vaccinated," do we really think this erodes vaccine skepticism? I don't. I think MICH-types would say, "The President isn't wearing a mask, I guess the pandemic is over!" Because they aren't fucking good-faith actors, they are lunatics who will need to be compelled to vaccinate (by non-governmental entities).

I agree that messaging through Biden is probably a lost cause.

But a publicly-funded ad campaign with celebrity/athlete endorsements would absolutely move the needle.

And, nope, didn't mean to do that.

[CrimsonNBlue]

But I'm not with you folks on the masks stuff -- they are a good thing to emphasize in crowded places pandemic or not. That said, I'm well aware the US isn't going to suddenly turn culturally to align with Asian countries on them.

At worst, during flu season.

I hope this also moves us away from the boomer philosophy of toughen up and work through your head cold 8+ hours in a physical office.

[hasbeen]

I read that the feds conducted a study to find the best way to convince skeptics and it was seeing friends get the vaccine or having it recommended by their doctor. But I think this was limited to skeptics who could be potentially moved, i.e. they're skeptical because of how fast the vaccine was developed.

Typing that reminds me that my father-in-law's doctor told him that COVID is a hoax. We are fucking screwed.

[CrimsonNBlue]

One other thing, if we imagine a world where Joe Biden walks around maskless and says "I'm able to do this because I'm vaccinated," do we really think this erodes vaccine skepticism? I don't. I think MICH-types would say, "The President isn't wearing a mask, I guess the pandemic is over!" Because they aren't fucking good-faith actors, they are lunatics who will need to be compelled to vaccinate (by non-governmental entities).

I agree that messaging through Biden is probably a lost cause.

But a publicly-funded ad campaign with celebrity/athlete endorsements would absolutely move the needle.

And, nope, didn't mean to do that.

Early surveys suggested that on top of the usual suspects, African-American and Hispanic populations were not pro-vax. And after Tuskegee, I get it.

Not enough ad campaigns, imo.

[jfish26]

I read that the feds conducted a study to find the best way to convince skeptics and it was seeing friends the vaccines or having it recommended by the doctor. But I think this was limited to skeptics who could be potentially moved, i.e. they're skeptical because of how fast the vaccine was developed.

Typing that reminds me that my father-in-law's doctor told him that COVID is a hoax. We are fucking screwed.

A Q-adjacent relative of mine got the shot. Because he thinks there will be vaccine passports.

Which Biden will mandate.

Because Biden is a mindless puppet of the radical left wing.

And the radical left wing wants to control movement.

Tell me: who's the one being controlled, here?

[Deleted User 865]

I read that the feds conducted a study to find the best way to convince skeptics and it was seeing friends get the vaccine or having it recommended by their doctor. But I think this was limited to skeptics who could be potentially moved, i.e. they're skeptical because of how fast the vaccine was developed.

Typing that reminds me that my father-in-law's doctor told him that COVID is a hoax. We are fucking screwed.

Is there a board or panel you could report him to? That's terrifying.

[NewtonHawk11]

Typing that reminds me that my father-in-law's doctor told him that COVID is a hoax. We are fucking screwed.

Some doctors in my area are not fans of masks and whatnot. Surprising a bit. They think Covid is legit, just don't think masks are that necessary considering the rate is so low or whatever.

But they've all been vaccinated, so I'm sure they're frustrated.

[MICHHAWK]

By May 30th any person that wants to will have had their first dose. By June 30th any person that wants to will be fully vaccinated. By July 1st MICHHAWKS mask collection will be smoldering in his firepit while I makeout with the next door neighbor. .

[jfish26]

By May 30th any person that wants to will have had their first dose. By June 30th any person that wants to will be fully vaccinated. By July 1st MICHHAWKS mask collection will be smoldering in his firepit.

That's...not how it works, but sure.