COVID-19 - On the Ground

[TDub]

Some of this stuff is so contradictory.

Wear a mask all the time....unless your in a restaurant...then spend an hour or two eating and drinking and talking but ya dont need a mask....

Bars at 50% capacity....wear a mask....but its ok if youre on the bar, drinking...dont need a mask there.


Its a weird dance we're all in right now

[twocoach]

The cdc rochelle walensky gal was on tv this morning telling us that if we are outside, all by ourselves, fully vaccinated ,we should wear a mask.

She absolutely did not say that:

https://www.today.com/video/cdc-directo ... 0646853682

It's near the end of the interview. She just said that they are still looking into it because it is complicated. Sounds to me like they are just hesitant to tell people it's officially OK because of the rising cases and hot spots.

But....its not

If im outside by myself......AND vaccinated. I dont need a mask. Not complicated .

If I'm by myself i dont need a mask either way so. I dunno.

There's two parts to this - the physical science of understanding what is medically possible and the social science of what happens when you tell the general public what they should or should not do. We as a society have consistently shown that as soon as the door is opened a crack that we will barge through it like an obnoxious drunk. I'd bet they know that we'd be OK without a mask alone outside because duh.... but that they are hesitant to say it because of how many will say, "well if it's OK to be outside without a mask then this 40,000 person outside concert is probably OK, too." Before we were locked in our houses for a year, too many of us have enough self control to behave responsibly. Now that people are extra eager to get back to life, people are going to make really bad decisions. Once the weather warms back up I think we're going to see numbers soar.

[MICHHAWK]

If you're fully vaccinated, and still taking your p&q's from the cdc and the man, you need your head examined.

[twocoach]

Some of this stuff is so contradictory.

Wear a mask all the time....unless your in a restaurant...then spend an hour or two eating and drinking and talking but ya dont need a mask....

Bars at 50% capacity....wear a mask....but its ok if youre on the bar, drinking...dont need a mask there.


Its a weird dance we're all in right now

We all knew that finding the right balance between public health and a functioning economy was going to be immensely challenging. Some of the guidelines are bizarre or completely contradictory. Just depends on who was involved in the decision making state by state. Combine public health officials, politicians, economists and liability lawyers on any decision and you're bound to end up with a confusing result.

[MICHHAWK]

Once the weather warms back up I think we're going to see numbers soar.

texas says hi. they are all warmed up. folks are outside living. their numbers are down.

[TDub]

Some of this stuff is so contradictory.

Wear a mask all the time....unless your in a restaurant...then spend an hour or two eating and drinking and talking but ya dont need a mask....

Bars at 50% capacity....wear a mask....but its ok if youre on the bar, drinking...dont need a mask there.


Its a weird dance we're all in right now

We all knew that finding the right balance between public health and a functioning economy was going to be immensely challenging. Some of the guidelines are bizarre or completely contradictory. Just depends on who was involved in the decision making state by state. Combine public health officials, politicians, economists and liability lawyers on any decision and you're bound to end up with a confusing result.

Right. So then dont tell people to wear masks outside by themselves while vaccinated. Don't even say its complicated...its not. If you are alone...you dont need a mask.

[twocoach]

If you're fully vaccinated, and still taking your p&q's from the cdc and the man, you need your head examined.

Honestly, I haven't read a statement by the CDC in months. That interview I just watched was the first CDC statement I have heard in months. To be honest, now that Trump is no longer President, I don't feel the need to have the news on all the time or to seek out the latest news as much because I am just not as worried about what our lunatic President was saying any more. The benefit of having a normal adult back in the White House. Based on the TV ratings of CNN since Trump left office, it seems I am not alone in that.

[twocoach]

Some of this stuff is so contradictory.

Wear a mask all the time....unless your in a restaurant...then spend an hour or two eating and drinking and talking but ya dont need a mask....

Bars at 50% capacity....wear a mask....but its ok if youre on the bar, drinking...dont need a mask there.


Its a weird dance we're all in right now

We all knew that finding the right balance between public health and a functioning economy was going to be immensely challenging. Some of the guidelines are bizarre or completely contradictory. Just depends on who was involved in the decision making state by state. Combine public health officials, politicians, economists and liability lawyers on any decision and you're bound to end up with a confusing result.

Right. So then dont tell people to wear masks outside by themselves while vaccinated. Don't even say its complicated...its not. If you are alone...you dont need a mask.

Agreed. But some people freak out if the CDC doesn't say something and other people freak out when they do say something. It's a lose-lose. If the media stops putting the CDC people on TV all the time then they are in on the alleged global conspiracy to hush this farce up. If the media doesn't stop putting the CDC people on TV all the time then they force the CDC to say something. Another lose-lose.

[MICHHAWK]

The benefit of having a normal adult back in the White House.

is MICHHAWK having to wear a mask while he kayaks in Lake Huron.

Is MICHHAWK having to wear a mask while he hikes the Avoca Trail.





I'm fully vaccinated. I'm an adult. I know what is right and what is wrong.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Some of this stuff is so contradictory.

Wear a mask all the time....unless your in a restaurant...then spend an hour or two eating and drinking and talking but ya dont need a mask....

Bars at 50% capacity....wear a mask....but its ok if youre on the bar, drinking...dont need a mask there.


Its a weird dance we're all in right now

We all knew that finding the right balance between public health and a functioning economy was going to be immensely challenging. Some of the guidelines are bizarre or completely contradictory. Just depends on who was involved in the decision making state by state. Combine public health officials, politicians, economists and liability lawyers on any decision and you're bound to end up with a confusing result.

I don't think any of it is contradictory. I don't think you will find any health official to say that it is completely safe to eat and drink at bars and restaurants unmasked. It is, as you said, the social, economic, and public health balance that we have to strike in adapting and co-existing in a pandemic world.

The safest thing to do is not see other people and/or even stay inside at all times. The least safest thing to do is gather in large crowds indoors every single day all day. The mask on unless you are eating is the balance between.

[twocoach]

Once the weather warms back up I think we're going to see numbers soar.

texas says hi. they are all warmed up. folks are outside living. their numbers are down.

There's a lot of different ways for numbers to go down. We have seen states manipulate data for their own self serving interests so I take any report with a grain of salt. Some counties in Texas have admitedly simply stopped reporting their covid numbers:

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-an ... d-numbers-

Is it a coincidence that covid cases began rapidly declining in Texas less than two weeks after this report?

[MICHHAWK]

What fully vaccinated person is wearing a mask, while being outdoors, when not around others. Who is willingly following these guidelines? Who.

Not that I care if someone wears a mask when fully vaccinated, when outdoors, when not around others. Just don't look at me in shame if I do not.

[twocoach]

What fully vaccinated person is wearing a mask, while being outdoors, when not around others. Who is willingly following these guidelines? Who.

Not that I care if someone wears a mask when fully vaccinated, when outdoors, when not around others. Just don't look at me in shame if I do not.

Ultra vulnerable people exist. Overly nervous people exist. If you're neither then good deal for you. If you're outside and no one else is around you then there isn't anyone else around to look at you in shame.

[MICHHAWK]

The benefit of having a normal adult back in the White House.

If uncle joe was the normal adult you claim him to be, he would pull that walensky gal aside and say "stop going on national television and telling the American people they need to wear a mask, when fully vaccinated, when outdoors, when not around others. You're making us sound like idiots."

But he won't do that. Because we see him multiple times a day wearing a mask, when fully vaccinated, when outdoors, when not around others.

Fortunately, most of the folks see right through it.

[Deleted User 89]

Fine, so ill wear one in public, crowded spaces with kids around. Im not gonna wear one by myself outside. Id really love to get away from wearing one at work...no kids there.

i don’t wear one when i take the dogs for a walk in the neighborhood, or up the canyon. i generally don’t wear one from the parking lot to my work space either (have a direct outside door to my own lab space).

i always wear one at the grocery store and gas station (if going inside)

[Cascadia]

[PhDhawk]

If uncle joe was the normal adult you claim him to be, he would pull that walensky gal aside and say "stop going on national television and telling the American people they need to wear a mask, when fully vaccinated, when outdoors, when not around others. You're making us sound like idiots."

This is the last thing we need the president to do.

And is what made the Trump presidency an unmitigated disaster.

Why do republicans want an authoritarian dictator. Let people do their job. If they're not good at it, they'll be replaced.

The CDC used to be a great institution. Trump ruined it, it's among his biggest failures, imho. Maybe it will be great again in the future, but that's not the case right now.

[Deleted User 89]

i’m constantly amazed at just how selfish some people are

[MICHHAWK]

The United States vaccination process has been fantastic from the start to right now. We lead the world.

Just stop going on television and saying stupid stuff that we all know is stupid.

[PhDhawk]

The United States vaccination process has been fantastic from the start to right now. We lead the world.

Just stop going on television and saying stupid stuff that we all know is stupid.

If you count Israel as part of the US.

I think there is a spectrum of options. If you focus only on the extreme ones, you're going to find plenty wrong.

Wearing a mask when you are alone outside is pretty extreme...I wouldn't do it.

Going all the way back to normal, when 1/4 of Americans are fully vaccinated is the other extreme and also seems like a mistake.