Would you be on the Jury?

[jfish26]

but they are both a threat, which is the problem

unless you’re a criminal, you shouldn’t see the cops as a threat...jmo

Good cops are not a threat and are not a problem. The "bad" cops are the problem.

duh?

I'm not sure how you fix it, though, without a massive reimagining of state and local budgets. Tax increases (in the short-term), anyway. Because you need to do at least two things: (1) direct resources (money!) at community (after-school programming, for example) and mental health/substance abuse programs,* and (2) substantially raise the qualifications required (money!) for law enforcement officers who carry firearms.

A massive part of the problem is the sort of profile the job attracts right now.

* It is not hard to imagine this spending pays enormous dividends (and saves a ton of money) over time, but it will be a while for obvious reasons.

[ousdahl]

Speaking of money - has anyone, like, suggested, like, defunding the police?

[ousdahl]

Cuz if you add up all the police budgets across Merica, it balances out to equal like the third biggest military budget in the world.

Maybe instead of paramilitary aggression against our citizens, we could do something that works for us instead?

[Deleted User 880]

I agree we should try and do something that works - for EVERYONE.
Perhaps if a large percentage of our citizens chose to be law abiding (regardless if the laws suck or not) instead of asshole criminals, maybe our police forces wouldn't feel the need to have "paramilitary aggression" at the rate they do.
There are parts of our country that are literal war zones and often it's the police who are also considered the enemy.

[Deleted User 89]

how’s your post count looking, illy?

Another ironic comment from the guy who just fired off 3 posts in a row saying absolutely nothing.

and yet nobody seems to take issue with my posts or posting style...hmmm

[Deleted User 863]

how’s your post count looking, illy?

Another ironic comment from the guy who just fired off 3 posts in a row saying absolutely nothing.

and yet nobody seems to take issue with my posts or posting style...hmmm

You're #LovedByAll

Good for you, bud!

[MICHHAWK]

Speaking of money - has anyone, like, suggested, like, defunding the police?

are we defunding all the police? including the dc capital police. or just the police that protect and serve the tax paying citizens of this great country? the good folks on the southside of chicago want to know.

[MICHHAWK]

and yet nobody seems to take issue with my posts or posting style...hmmm

i look forward to your exercising of your superiority. i need it.

[Deleted User 863]

Speaking of money - has anyone, like, suggested, like, defunding the police?

are we defunding all the police? including the dc capital police. or just the police that protect and serve the tax paying citizens of this great country? the good folks on the southside of chicago want to know.

Ousdahl isn't sure, but whatever the solution he'll inevitably dislike it.


(teasing you Ous)

[ousdahl]

Speaking of money - has anyone, like, suggested, like, defunding the police?

are we defunding all the police? including the dc capital police. or just the police that protect and serve the tax paying citizens of this great country? the good folks on the southside of chicago want to know.

Refer back to fish’s post.

It could potentially go a long way for money to go less to military-style weapons and tanks and tactical gear, and more toward community programs and mental health and substance abuse resources.

And/or put some of that weapons budget toward police payroll budgets, to attract more qualified cops that are gonna be more professional about their jobs.

[ousdahl]

[CrimsonNBlue]

Good cops are not a threat and are not a problem. The "bad" cops are the problem.

duh?

I'm not sure how you fix it, though, without a massive reimagining of state and local budgets. Tax increases (in the short-term), anyway. Because you need to do at least two things: (1) direct resources (money!) at community (after-school programming, for example) and mental health/substance abuse programs,* and (2) substantially raise the qualifications required (money!) for law enforcement officers who carry firearms.

A massive part of the problem is the sort of profile the job attracts right now.

* It is not hard to imagine this spending pays enormous dividends (and saves a ton of money) over time, but it will be a while for obvious reasons.

And more to Trad's point, we have to stop the practice of the good cops defending to the end the bad cops

[Cascadia]

how’s your post count looking, illy?

Another ironic comment from the guy who just fired off 3 posts in a row saying absolutely nothing.

and yet nobody seems to take issue with my posts or posting style...hmmm

Illy's in the middle of a full blown, multiple thread meltdown. I'm sure he will tucker himself out soon.

[MICHHAWK]

Speaking of money - has anyone, like, suggested, like, defunding the police?

are we defunding all the police? including the dc capital police. or just the police that protect and serve the tax paying citizens of this great country? the good folks on the southside of chicago want to know.

Refer back to fish’s post.

It could potentially go a long way for money to go less to military-style weapons and tanks and tactical gear, and more toward community programs and mental health and substance abuse resources.

so we can take down the fortress we have built around the capital in dc? send home the national guard so they can be with their loved ones. can we do that. can we stop funding private security forces for our elected officials. can we do that. the good folks in south central want to know.

[ousdahl]

I wonder when the last time the cops in south central did anything for those good folks.

[Cascadia]

are we defunding all the police? including the dc capital police. or just the police that protect and serve the tax paying citizens of this great country? the good folks on the southside of chicago want to know.

Refer back to fish’s post.

It could potentially go a long way for money to go less to military-style weapons and tanks and tactical gear, and more toward community programs and mental health and substance abuse resources.

so we can take down the fortress we have built around the capital in dc? send home the national guard so they can be with their loved ones. can we do that. can we stop funding private security forces for our elected officials. can we do that. the good folks in south central want to know.

If we take down the "fortress we have built around the capital in dc" will you and your family members stop trying to kill politicians who view the world differently than you do?

Because, yes, most of us would like to spend that money elsewhere, but we have too many sociopaths like you in our society.

[zsn]

^^^^^^^^YESSSS. Beat me to it Cascadia!

It looks like many of the “law enforcement” people that MICH is defending are the problem, and that’s the reason why the NG is there

[jfish26]

are we defunding all the police? including the dc capital police. or just the police that protect and serve the tax paying citizens of this great country? the good folks on the southside of chicago want to know.

Refer back to fish’s post.

It could potentially go a long way for money to go less to military-style weapons and tanks and tactical gear, and more toward community programs and mental health and substance abuse resources.

so we can take down the fortress we have built around the capital in dc? send home the national guard so they can be with their loved ones. can we do that. can we stop funding private security forces for our elected officials. can we do that. the good folks in south central want to know.

My head hurts. There is no logic to what you just said.

[Deleted User 863]

Another ironic comment from the guy who just fired off 3 posts in a row saying absolutely nothing.

and yet nobody seems to take issue with my posts or posting style...hmmm

Illy's in the middle of a full blown, multiple thread meltdown. I'm sure he will tucker himself out soon.

What am i melting down about exaxtly? I think you're misapplying that word.

Right about 1 thing though, it won't be an all day posting extravaganza because it's going to be about 80 degrees and i have a tee time at 12:00

[Deleted User 863]

duh?

I'm not sure how you fix it, though, without a massive reimagining of state and local budgets. Tax increases (in the short-term), anyway. Because you need to do at least two things: (1) direct resources (money!) at community (after-school programming, for example) and mental health/substance abuse programs,* and (2) substantially raise the qualifications required (money!) for law enforcement officers who carry firearms.

A massive part of the problem is the sort of profile the job attracts right now.

* It is not hard to imagine this spending pays enormous dividends (and saves a ton of money) over time, but it will be a while for obvious reasons.

And more to Trad's point, we have to stop the practice of the good cops defending to the end the bad cops

That will be the biggest and most important step in the process.