COVID-19 - On the Ground

[ousdahl]

But in many ways, we did do nothing!

Many of the initiatives we tried were either too little too late, or undercut from the get-go.

Masks? No way, my body my choice.

Lockdowns? Sounds like the reasoning behind that is, cuz we wanted a reason to kidnap the gubner.

Avoid unnecessary travel? BUT MAH RIGHTS, come on kids we’re going on vacation to Colorado.

[PhDhawk]

I mean, I guess we quickly forget what happened early on, China, in Italy, even in NYC. It was bad. It's bad in India right now, really bad.

Mitigation efforts, as half assedly as we did them, at the very least kept hospitals from being overrun, supplies from running out, etc.

A big part of why the death rate is under 2% is because the people who needed intensive care and ventilators for the most part got them. Without mitigation, there would have been a lot more people in need of hospital beds and ventilators.

What made this virus such a problem was how quickly it spread. Prior to mitigation, the data showed that from each infected person, 5.9 people would be infected. At the height of mitigation, that dropped to less than 1. Then we got tired or quit caring and cared more about not wearing masks than weather grandma lived 10 more years. I believe I've seen estimates, that mitigation efforts reduced infection rates to between 25 and 50% of what they would have been.

I don't think any one could argue that things were handled perfectly, or that we could have done a better job. But to say doing nothing would have had us in the same place is asanine. A lot more people would have been infected, a lot more would have gotten sick, a lot more would have died if nothing had been done. The mitigation efforts in some ways are victims of their own success.

Hopefully, we can learn from this and improve our response the next time there is a pandemic.

[Deleted User 89]

and really, it’s always been about keeping the healthcare system functional, and ultimately trying to prevent or reduce death

we weren’t going to prevent spread and infection outright, and anyone that thinks that was the end game is delusional

[ousdahl]

One thing I haven’t seen, is anyone complaining about the gummint paying for their vaccines...could this maybe, like, catch on?

[Deleted User 89]

One thing I haven’t seen, is anyone complaining about the gummint paying for their vaccines...could this maybe, like, catch on?

or the government paying for the vaccine, and then paying you to get said vaccine (hello, W. Va.)

[ChalkRocker]

I mean, I guess we quickly forget what happened early on, China, in Italy, even in NYC. It was bad. It's bad in India right now, really bad.

Mitigation efforts, as half assedly as we did them, at the very least kept hospitals from being overrun, supplies from running out, etc.

A big part of why the death rate is under 2% is because the people who needed intensive care and ventilators for the most part got them. Without mitigation, there would have been a lot more people in need of hospital beds and ventilators.

What made this virus such a problem was how quickly it spread. Prior to mitigation, the data showed that from each infected person, 5.9 people would be infected. At the height of mitigation, that dropped to less than 1. Then we got tired or quit caring and cared more about not wearing masks than weather grandma lived 10 more years. I believe I've seen estimates, that mitigation efforts reduced infection rates to between 25 and 50% of what they would have been.

I don't think any one could argue that things were handled perfectly, or that we could have done a better job. But to say doing nothing would have had us in the same place is asanine. A lot more people would have been infected, a lot more would have gotten sick, a lot more would have died if nothing had been done. The mitigation efforts in some ways are victims of their own success.

Hopefully, we can learn from this and improve our response the next time there is a pandemic.

Another cogent post, imo. Thx again.

To yr last point , if by "we", you're referring to those of us in the world, I hope so, too. If you meant those of us in the U.S., then I'm skeptical, b/c so many apparently deny that science should be our guide. I don't see this improving.

[Deleted User 863]

One thing I haven’t seen, is anyone complaining about the gummint paying for their vaccines...could this maybe, like, catch on?

It wasn't a flu shot...in this situation it was totally warranted.

[Deleted User 89]

mild nausea and headache yesterday (day 2), but back to normal today

feels good being fully vaccinated, and knowing that the rest of my family is as well

can’t say the same for my in-laws, unfortunately

[Deleted User 89]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasre ... dd6c9c7c4c

Health Workers Are Getting Fired For Refusing The Covid Vaccine—Here’s Why Office Workers Could Be, Too

...WHAT TO WATCH FOR

An Arizona State-Rockefeller Foundation poll released Thursday found 63% of employers it surveyed planned to require proof of vaccination, with 42% saying vaccinations would be needed to return to a physical workplace and 35% saying disciplinary actions could be taken for those who refused a vaccine, including possible termination. The survey polled 957 workplaces in 24 industries—most of which were businesses with over 250 employees.

KEY BACKGROUND

Legal experts generally say employees can be fired for refusing to get vaccinated. But there are caveats. They could file for a religious or medical exemption. But that becomes trickier for health-care workers, since their employers may be able to prove not getting vaccinated would create an undue burden on the workplace. And there are also questions over whether employees can be fired for not taking a vaccine that hasn't technically been approved by the FDA, since all three vaccines being administered in the U.S. have only been granted emergency use authorization. Top health officials, like Dr. Anthony Fauci, have assured Americans that coronavirus vaccines are safe and the only tool that will be able to end the pandemic for good. Data has also shown Covid vaccines are safe and effective...

[MICHHAWK]

Cool. more good jobs for us vaccinated folks.

[jfish26]

I'd staple my vaccine card to my goddamned ear if I could walk around my office without a mask.

[ChalkRocker]

I'd staple my vaccine card to my goddamned ear if I could walk around my office without a mask.

Use a rivet. More secure.

[Deleted User 89]

https://slate.com/technology/2021/05/va ... india.html

can’t say i agree with it all, but some good points are raised

[Deleted User 863]

2nd dose done.

Now rapid firing posts off while i wait 15min to make sure i don't turn into a zombie.

[ousdahl]

Bro but now that you have your 2nd dose, you don’t even need to post here any more. We can just message each other through the microchip now.

[sdoyel]

Got my 2nd shot Sunday around noon. Thought I was going to escape the side effects. Monday evening started feeling soreness in my upper body. By midnight I had some chills and didn’t sleep worth a shit. Woke up this morning feeling like I had been run over by a truck.

Feeling better now…

[twocoach]

not so much that, as it has been the response. the response to the pandemic could not have been worse. practically every move has been wrong. we could have done nothing and be in the same place we are today. minus the 5(?) trillion dollar price tag.

I don't agree with a single portion of this. The response was terrible but it could have been a lot worse. Even worse would have been doing nothing because this virus killed hundreds of thousands DESPITE all of the efforts we put into mitigating it. I can imagine how many deaths and irreparably harmed people we would have had we done nothing.

Hell, all the efforts put into mitigating it probably saved hundreds of thousands more from dying of covid as well as tens of thousands of people kept from dying from the flu.

[hasbeen]

Had Moderna #2 on Saturday. I felt a bit rundown at times but nothing serious. I was still able to take walks and what not. I expected my arm to hurt as bad as it did after the first but it wasn't even close.

[ousdahl]

[Deleted User 89]

wish i coulda shed the massive headache i got after moderna #1 onto someone else