COVID-19 - On the Ground

[ousdahl]

Lobster, could you please post the sources to prove your assertions?

[Walrus]

I'm not anti-vax. I've had numerous immunizations in my life. Those vaccines had years of research to prove they are safe. The new covid vaccines do not. I completely agree with you that it must remain a choice. If it doesn't, you're looking at massive unrest.

Hell, even Dr. Robert Malone (inventor of mRNA vaccine technology) is being silenced for saying the vaccines are not safe (he took them early on in Feb, but regrets doing so).

[Lobster]

Crazy how much worse things keep getting every month, right? Meanwhile, I'm looking more and more vindicated. So many horrible side effects (heart damage, bells palsy, clots, stroke, etc) that now they are putting warning labels on them. You know why these are not safe for a lot of people? It's the spike protein.

I'll tell you what is likely to happen this Fall. There will be an increase in delta (or United Airlines) variant over the cold months (just like viruses always do). The news will blame on it on the unvaxxed. Then this will further create the "vaxxed vs unvaxxed" divide. It's all about the divide. Last year, it was the lockdown and the masks. This year, it's the vaccine. They always need something to divide you -- that's all the news is good for.

Interestingly though, I looked at the actual trials of moderna and pfizer vaccines. The study groups showed that the vaccinated vs unvaxxed was only about 1% or less difference in infection rate or deaths. I can post the sources to prove it. Most Americans are completely unaware of this. Then again, most Americans also thought the "covid from a lab" was a conspiracy. It's always a "conspiracy" for a year, until it isn't.

"Remember to get vaccinated, or a vaccinated person might get sick from the virus they got vaccinated against because you're not vaccinated."

[Walrus]

Crazy how much worse things keep getting every month, right? Meanwhile, I'm looking more and more vindicated. So many horrible side effects (heart damage, bells palsy, clots, stroke, etc) that now they are putting warning labels on them. You know why these are not safe for a lot of people? It's the spike protein.

I'll tell you what is likely to happen this Fall. There will be an increase in delta (or United Airlines) variant over the cold months (just like viruses always do). The news will blame on it on the unvaxxed. Then this will further create the "vaxxed vs unvaxxed" divide. It's all about the divide. Last year, it was the lockdown and the masks. This year, it's the vaccine. They always need something to divide you -- that's all the news is good for.

Interestingly though, I looked at the actual trials of moderna and pfizer vaccines. The study groups showed that the vaccinated vs unvaxxed was only about 1% or less difference in infection rate or deaths. I can post the sources to prove it. Most Americans are completely unaware of this. Then again, most Americans also thought the "covid from a lab" was a conspiracy. It's always a "conspiracy" for a year, until it isn't.

"Remember to get vaccinated, or a vaccinated person might get sick from the virus they got vaccinated against because you're not vaccinated."

Nice rebuttal there. Then again, you and C&B are all for the plan of forced vaccinations.

[Lobster]

I'm not anti-vax. I've had numerous immunizations in my life. Those vaccines had years of research to prove they are safe. The new covid vaccines do not. I completely agree with you that it must remain a choice. If it doesn't, you're looking at massive unrest.

Hell, even Dr. Robert Malone (inventor of mRNA vaccine technology) is being silenced for saying the vaccines are not safe (he took them early on in Feb, but regrets doing so).

[Deleted User 89]

https://logically.ai/articles/who-is-dr.-robert-malone

lobs posting more right-wing lies...go figure

[Walrus]

[jfish26]

Crazy how much worse things keep getting every month, right? Meanwhile, I'm looking more and more vindicated. So many horrible side effects (heart damage, bells palsy, clots, stroke, etc) that now they are putting warning labels on them. You know why these are not safe for a lot of people? It's the spike protein.

I'll tell you what is likely to happen this Fall. There will be an increase in delta (or United Airlines) variant over the cold months (just like viruses always do). The news will blame on it on the unvaxxed. Then this will further create the "vaxxed vs unvaxxed" divide. It's all about the divide. Last year, it was the lockdown and the masks. This year, it's the vaccine. They always need something to divide you -- that's all the news is good for.

Interestingly though, I looked at the actual trials of moderna and pfizer vaccines. The study groups showed that the vaccinated vs unvaxxed was only about 1% or less difference in infection rate or deaths. I can post the sources to prove it. Most Americans are completely unaware of this. Then again, most Americans also thought the "covid from a lab" was a conspiracy. It's always a "conspiracy" for a year, until it isn't.

"Remember to get vaccinated, or a vaccinated person might get sick from the virus they got vaccinated against because you're not vaccinated."

Nice rebuttal there. Then again, you and C&B are all for the plan of forced vaccinations.

Please do direct me to where I said the government should mandate vaccines.

(I do note, also, that the "government" has "mandated" vaccines for years and years and years.)

[Walrus]

For those who are intellectually honest and curious...

[Deleted User 89]

For those who are intellectually honest and curious...

his about you post the actual sources for those graphics?

an intellectually honest person would be that transparent

[JKLivin]

nationally, case counts up 109% over the past two weeks

Thank God! Hopefully we can be back to a full lockdown by the time school starts. Can’t have people living their lives free of government control again, can we?!?

Or, people could just get vaccinated.

I've been vaccinated since the first week of April.

[JKLivin]

nationally, case counts up 109% over the past two weeks

Thank God! Hopefully we can be back to a full lockdown by the time school starts. Can’t have people living their lives free of government control again, can we?!?

just fyi...i’m not supportive of lockdowns

good post though...you’re on mich’s level of solid contributions to this topic

Seems to me that you would expect to see a spike in any kind of easily-communicable virus in the weeks following a national holiday where people travel and spend time with family and friends. Given that the gummint is openly admitting that, even when vaccinated, you can get and transmit the virus, logic would dictate that there would be a spike regardless of vaccination. Unless, of course, the whole point is to cripple the economy and push the average person to where their mental health snaps like a dry twig and they become utterly dependent on the gummint for handouts.

[twocoach]

Some interesting polling information on the unvaccinated.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-1 ... accinated/

[Sparko]

The best evidence of the efficacy of the vaccine are all the dead unvaccinated. Their allowing the disease to spread is not great for any of us as it mutates in unvaccinated populations. Children are starting to be hospitalized at concerning rates. The fact free world of a land lobster shapes its own reality until it chokes itself out trying to get air.

[twocoach]

Thank God! Hopefully we can be back to a full lockdown by the time school starts. Can’t have people living their lives free of government control again, can we?!?

just fyi...i’m not supportive of lockdowns

good post though...you’re on mich’s level of solid contributions to this topic

Seems to me that you would expect to see a spike in any kind of easily-communicable virus in the weeks following a national holiday where people travel and spend time with family and friends. Given that the gummint is openly admitting that, even when vaccinated, you can get and transmit the virus, logic would dictate that there would be a spike regardless of vaccination. Unless, of course, the whole point is to cripple the economy and push the average person to where their mental health snaps like a dry twig and they become utterly dependent on the gummint for handouts.

That's a lot of bad assumptions to make all at once. Well done.

[jfish26]

The best evidence of the efficacy of the vaccine are all the dead unvaccinated. Their allowing the disease to spread is not great for any of us as it mutates in unvaccinated populations. Children are starting to be hospitalized at concerning rates. The fact free world of a land lobster shapes its own reality until it chokes itself out trying to get air.

It's still sort of remarkable, when you think about it, that a key strategy of the GOP last year was "Do Jack Shit About a Pandemic That's Killing Seniors by the Morgueful".

[Deleted User 89]

anyone interested in the real history of mRNA vaccines should look up the name Katalin Kariko (i’ll save you the trouble, lobs, it’s a woman so don’t bother)

[Walrus]

We actually have drugs that are highly effective at curing covid if you use them early on. But the CDC and our "health officials" are trying to force everyone into getting the shot because it's far more lucrative. These drugs are fairly cheap, and there's no patent or exclusivity on them.

[Deleted User 89]

the cdc and health officials make zero off of vaccines

[Walrus]

Right, because kickbacks to government do not exist.