The Great Outdoors

[Deleted User 89]

i don’t mean to be a creeper, TDub, but i’d really like to see your spread

i bet it’d be right up my ally

Its not bad, decent and fairly peaceful, its a transitional place until we get where we want...was supposed to be a 2 year place but......covid....mhousing market explosion etc has pushed that timeline. We're back on the hunt though we'll see whats out there. Found a place with 42 acres already cross-fenced and with 20 acres of timber but the house.....needed a lot of work....a lot. I was all in, I mean, kinda what i do for a living anyway. But the wife didnt want to live in a trailer for a year with 2 kids under 5. So...i lost the 1 to 1 vote....mustve been the penalty kicks that got me.

fingers crossed for ya

sounds like you’ve at least got some options

we’re completely priced out of anything we’d be interested in for the time being...so renters we will continue to be

[TDub]

^^^^
x1,000 for all points made

Something relaxing and peaceful about spending an hour or two swinging a maul listening to some chris ledoux and hearing the thwack of the wood splitting. Dog chewing on the scraps and sneaking a Copenhagen in that you were supposed to have quit and having a coors or 2.

I mean that as a completely general example, not specific to me at all.........

just be glad you don’t have hedge/osage orange...it’s not nearly as romantic an endeavor lol

Ha! I fight the damn lilacs, grow like weeds and you cant kill them. Choppem down and a week later theres 24 of them already at 4 ft tall and you have a bigger problem than you had before.


At least we dont have blackberries.....terrible. tasty...but annoying

[TDub]

i don’t mean to be a creeper, TDub, but i’d really like to see your spread

i bet it’d be right up my ally

Its not bad, decent and fairly peaceful, its a transitional place until we get where we want...was supposed to be a 2 year place but......covid....mhousing market explosion etc has pushed that timeline. We're back on the hunt though we'll see whats out there. Found a place with 42 acres already cross-fenced and with 20 acres of timber but the house.....needed a lot of work....a lot. I was all in, I mean, kinda what i do for a living anyway. But the wife didnt want to live in a trailer for a year with 2 kids under 5. So...i lost the 1 to 1 vote....mustve been the penalty kicks that got me.

fingers crossed for ya

sounds like you’ve at least got some options

we’re completely priced out of anything we’d be interested in for the time being...so renters we will continue to be

Catch 22 though, the options sre slim but there are some, however, theyre only options because of the market value of this place...so. timing is everything.

Also, most of the options require a move out of this area and most likely 4 or so hours away, either east or north or northeast. Totally good with me, preferable to me....wife is variable on acceptance of that. Again, timing is everything. Ha

[TDub]

Actually potentially SE too. There are some available spots out thataway

[TDub]

Also throw into the mix the new business im just starting and its a lot of balls in the air to try abd move. If i can prove i can be sustainably profitable here then I'll move the business with me...if not I'll have to rethink my logisticals. I can find work usually anywhere but not always with the required net gains. Particularly in the places I want to be.

[Deleted User 89]

that flexibility sounds nice, but i’m sure the uncertainty isn’t fun

i’m tied to SLC for the time being, and am not even gonna play with a commute of more than 1/1.5 hours...that right there severely limits our options, but we’ve got fairly stringent criteria too

[TDub]

Itd be most affordable to buy land and build a house...which i coukd do basically at cost. But, that woukd also require a year in a trailer. Ao, thatll have to wait a few years most likely ...if ever.

[Deleted User 89]

Itd be most affordable to buy land and build a house...which i coukd do basically at cost. But, that woukd also require a year in a trailer. Ao, thatll have to wait a few years most likely ...if ever.

wife and i were out for a drive last week and saw this parcel...this is what i’m dealing with. and it doesn’t even really matter that it’s close to Park City. that’s pretty much the price range anywhere within an hour or so

https://www.estately.com/listings/info/ ... anch-rd--1

it’s fucking gorgeous though, and fully surrounded by single-owner ranchland

wanna float me a loan?

[shindig]

Itd be most affordable to buy land and build a house...which i coukd do basically at cost. But, that woukd also require a year in a trailer. Ao, thatll have to wait a few years most likely ...if ever.

You know how to build a house? Man I wish I had a third of those skills. I feel overwhelmed at times just maintaining my 93 year old Tudor, that is about the size of your house, maybe a little smaller at 1,300 sq ft, not including the stone foundation basement (which is half semi-finished, meaning just exposed floor joists for the ceiling). But I just get worn down working on the fvcking thing all the time on my spare time.

[ousdahl]

Actually potentially SE too. There are some available spots out thataway

Like SE Oregon?

Isn’t there like a whole lot of not shit going on there?

For better or worse

[TDub]

Itd be most affordable to buy land and build a house...which i coukd do basically at cost. But, that woukd also require a year in a trailer. Ao, thatll have to wait a few years most likely ...if ever.

wife and i were out for a drive last week and saw this parcel...this is what i’m dealing with. and it doesn’t even really matter that it’s close to Park City. that’s pretty much the price range anywhere within an hour or so

https://www.estately.com/listings/info/ ... anch-rd--1

it’s fucking gorgeous though, and fully surrounded by single-owner ranchland

wanna float me a loan?

Ha! I dont have that kinda cash flow. Thats a beautiful spot though.

[TDub]

Actually potentially SE too. There are some available spots out thataway

Like SE Oregon?

Isn’t there like a whole lot of not shit going on there?

For better or worse

Nah, if i go that way itll be further east

[TDub]

Itd be most affordable to buy land and build a house...which i coukd do basically at cost. But, that woukd also require a year in a trailer. Ao, thatll have to wait a few years most likely ...if ever.

You know how to build a house? Man I wish I had a third of those skills. I feel overwhelmed at times just maintaining my 93 year old Tudor, that is about the size of your house, maybe a little smaller at 1,300 sq ft, not including the stone foundation basement (which is half semi-finished, meaning just exposed floor joists for the ceiling). But I just get worn down working on the fvcking thing all the time on my spare time.

Building them is easier than maintaining them sometimes ha

Also of note.....its easier to build them as a job than to maintain them after work. Altho, it seems I'm always in the middle of at least 2 or 3 renovations at home too.

[Deleted User 863]

Itd be most affordable to buy land and build a house...which i coukd do basically at cost. But, that woukd also require a year in a trailer. Ao, thatll have to wait a few years most likely ...if ever.

wife and i were out for a drive last week and saw this parcel...this is what i’m dealing with. and it doesn’t even really matter that it’s close to Park City. that’s pretty much the price range anywhere within an hour or so

https://www.estately.com/listings/info/ ... anch-rd--1

it’s fucking gorgeous though, and fully surrounded by single-owner ranchland

wanna float me a loan?

Holy fuck. 1mil for less than 10acres!

[Deleted User 89]

$100K/acre...almost without fail, anywhere within an hour or so of SLC

as contrast, my brothers and i sold our wheat land in Kansas a couple years ago and felt lucky to get a bit more than $1K/acre

[shindig]

Itd be most affordable to buy land and build a house...which i coukd do basically at cost. But, that woukd also require a year in a trailer. Ao, thatll have to wait a few years most likely ...if ever.

You know how to build a house? Man I wish I had a third of those skills. I feel overwhelmed at times just maintaining my 93 year old Tudor, that is about the size of your house, maybe a little smaller at 1,300 sq ft, not including the stone foundation basement (which is half semi-finished, meaning just exposed floor joists for the ceiling). But I just get worn down working on the fvcking thing all the time on my spare time.

Building them is easier than maintaining them sometimes ha

Also of note.....its easier to build them as a job than to maintain them after work. Altho, it seems I'm always in the middle of at least 2 or 3 renovations at home too.

Yep. Part of it is just my love of older homes that were all built with old growth, center cut Oak. I mean, it's solid. Crazy how they built the limestone foundations back then. I think my foundation is 20+ inches wide and it's stone (nothing stronger).

My basement is "primarily" dry. Get some seepage in one corner, but I think it should be good now after adding some dirt and proper drainage on that corner. It's just the upkeep (which happens with every house), but my OCD kicks in and I want everything perfect...lol. Which, never happens.

[TDub]

You know how to build a house? Man I wish I had a third of those skills. I feel overwhelmed at times just maintaining my 93 year old Tudor, that is about the size of your house, maybe a little smaller at 1,300 sq ft, not including the stone foundation basement (which is half semi-finished, meaning just exposed floor joists for the ceiling). But I just get worn down working on the fvcking thing all the time on my spare time.

Building them is easier than maintaining them sometimes ha

Also of note.....its easier to build them as a job than to maintain them after work. Altho, it seems I'm always in the middle of at least 2 or 3 renovations at home too.

Yep. Part of it is just my love of older homes that were all built with old growth, center cut Oak. I mean, it's solid. Crazy how they built the limestone foundations back then. I think my foundation is 20+ inches wide and it's stone (nothing stronger).

My basement is "primarily" dry. Get some seepage in one corner, but I think it should be good now after adding some dirt and proper drainage on that corner. It's just the upkeep (which happens with every house), but my OCD kicks in and I want everything perfect...lol. Which, never happens.

Yea i like old houses, theyre a pain to upkeep but theyre awesome. The part that sucks is trying to make upgrades and repairs and make it match. A lot of that stuff just doesn't exist anymore without milling it yourself or having it custom made at a huge premium.

[TDub]

Id likw to get an old used sawmill. I think thats be awesome. Or, at minimum, an alaska mill to make some of the more rough cut stuff.

[shindig]

Id likw to get an old used sawmill. I think thats be awesome. Or, at minimum, an alaska mill to make some of the more rough cut stuff.

Yep, wood repair/replacement is a pain. Nothing you buy today is true to their dimensions (i.e. a 2x4 today is really a 1.5x3.5). Annoying. Basically have to buy Cedar that is much better than pine and rip it with a table saw, then shim in the difference with a .25" strip. Or as you stated, have it milled.

[TDub]

Yea, since the 60s i think. Problem with milling your own or having custom milled is its not kiln dried and your moisture content is higher, higher than the 19% allowed typically.


If your in an interior application and its not visible I wouldn't worry about cedar vs pine. Yea Cedar is a little stronger but not by a ton....and its significantly more expensive. Its main value of being rot resistant is wasted if used in a dried in space.



Point 2: if youre replacing 1 or 2 studs
..yea gonna have to furr out that 1/4". If your replace a whole section of wall you can use nominal 2x4s and furr the wall out with 1/4" rock then you're typical 5/8" rock or plaster or whatever to match the wall your tying into. Alternativelu, depending on where rhe wall is and whats around it, you can sometimes use nominal 2x4s and offset the wall to align woth the visible wall. This usually only works on basement furred walls and some exterior furred walls. Sometimes can get away with it on interior walls if theres a corner or if theres an intersecting wall that breaks up the sight line.