COVID-19 - On the Ground

[Deleted User 863]

Do you seriously not know how the annual flu vaccines work?

Wait a minute....are you virtue signaling?

Have a great day!

You should look that term up. Like a lot of things, you don't seem to understand quite what it means.

the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.

[Deleted User 902]

Ah, glad to see people still fighting about things like drawers. Some things refuse to change.

[Deleted User 863]

Well thank god I am "so well off" to afford a house with drawers. NO idea what those less fortunate do with all their stuff...

I think you've missed the point.

No, your point was just dumb.

That limiting some things that aren't just leisure activities is extremely problematic and will disproportionately impact the communities that need support the most?

Doesn't seem that dumb to me.

[Deleted User 902]

it's not that hard. we are issued a vax card at the point of vax. stamped and dated.

every person in America has a smart phone. take a picture of your vax card. store it in a safe place.

Waiting for Illy to take up the "but what about poor people that don't have cell phones? How dare you be so uppity to assume that everyone has one" rant but he seems to only roll those out for certain people...

I was also waiting for it.

I googled because I knew it was high: at last count, cell phone ownership was at 97%, and 85% of those were smartphones.

I will jump to my own conclusion here and say that it seems like more of those people not having a smartphone is more preference rather than not being able to afford it.

Not for nothing, but that would still mean 10 million don't have cells, and 50 million don't have smartphones (if this is all humans, not just adults). Probably closer to 7 and 35 million if just 18+.

[twocoach]

I think you've missed the point.

No, your point was just dumb.

That limiting some things that aren't just leisure activities is extremely problematic and will disproportionately impact the communities that need support the most?

Doesn't seem that dumb to me.

Cool story. It has nothing to do with the conversation we were having. You dropped this "I have securely stored my documents of vaccination. I am more organized than many. And I have easily available access to healthcare. Many don't.

At what point will you realize not everyone is as smart or lucky or well off as you? Good grief. Fuck the disadvantaged or most vulnerable? That's who we are trying to protect most.

35% of the black population is fully vaccinated. We want to limit services to them even more? There are unintended consequences to this stuff. "

Because I thought that it was reasonable to expect people to to store their vaccination card in a location where they wouldn't lose it.

[Deleted User 863]

I googled because I knew it was high: at last count, cell phone ownership was at 97%, and 85% of those were smartphones.

I drove by a homeless person yesterday sitting at an intersection holding a cardboard sign asking for money....behind that sign was his smart phone he was scrolling thru.

The main demographic without a smart phone has to be the elderly who simply just don't want to mess with learning how to use them. My grandpa had a flip phone. Complained it was stupid that he was paying for it, but nobody ever called him on it....my dad opened it and informed him that was because it was turned off.

[twocoach]

Waiting for Illy to take up the "but what about poor people that don't have cell phones? How dare you be so uppity to assume that everyone has one" rant but he seems to only roll those out for certain people...

I was also waiting for it.

I googled because I knew it was high: at last count, cell phone ownership was at 97%, and 85% of those were smartphones.

I will jump to my own conclusion here and say that it seems like more of those people not having a smartphone is more preference rather than not being able to afford it.

Not for nothing, but that would still mean 10 million don't have cells, and 50 million don't have smartphones (if this is all humans, not just adults). Probably closer to 7 and 35 million if just 18+.

Of those 50 million, how many don't have a drawer in the place they live where they can keep documents they'd like to keep track of because they may need them? I'd hate for my alleged lack of empathy for the plight of others less fortunate to result in an unreasonable expectation...

[Deleted User 863]

Because I thought that it was reasonable to expect people to to store their vaccination card in a location where they wouldn't lose it.

People lose things. Records get misplaced. If you start limiting access to healthcare, schools, work, grocery stores, it has unintended consequences.

Limiting access to a museum or concert is one thing, but when it starts to creep beyond those recreational/leisure activities it gets much more problematic.

[jfish26]

"Did someone say 'a thread about drawers'?"

- 7YH

[ousdahl]

The main flip phone demographic is drug dealers.

Don’t need a data plan on a burner

[ousdahl]

And the fact the vax cards are not something that fits conveniently in a wallet, is just another example of how allsome this pandemic response has been.

[Deleted User 902]

I was also waiting for it.

I googled because I knew it was high: at last count, cell phone ownership was at 97%, and 85% of those were smartphones.

I will jump to my own conclusion here and say that it seems like more of those people not having a smartphone is more preference rather than not being able to afford it.

Not for nothing, but that would still mean 10 million don't have cells, and 50 million don't have smartphones (if this is all humans, not just adults). Probably closer to 7 and 35 million if just 18+.

Of those 50 million, how many don't have a drawer in the place they live where they can keep documents they'd like to keep track of because they may need them? I'd hate for my alleged lack of empathy for the plight of others less fortunate to result in an unreasonable expectation...

Not sure how much snark, but:

https://www.healthypeople.gov/2020/topi ... nstability

"21.3 million households were cost burdened—of these, 11.4 million households were severely cost burdened."

So that's households, so I would assume around 1.5 people per household. Seems like a significant amount aren't so much worried about drawers, and care more about just having a door that locks.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Waiting for Illy to take up the "but what about poor people that don't have cell phones? How dare you be so uppity to assume that everyone has one" rant but he seems to only roll those out for certain people...

I was also waiting for it.

I googled because I knew it was high: at last count, cell phone ownership was at 97%, and 85% of those were smartphones.

I will jump to my own conclusion here and say that it seems like more of those people not having a smartphone is more preference rather than not being able to afford it.

Not for nothing, but that would still mean 10 million don't have cells, and 50 million don't have smartphones (if this is all humans, not just adults). Probably closer to 7 and 35 million if just 18+.

I didn't dig deep, but it will of course never be 100% with disabled, incarcerated, infirm, etc.

[Deleted User 863]

The main flip phone demographic is drug dealers.

Don’t need a data plan on a burner

LOL

If only all drug dealers were as smart as those on the wire.

Brother in law in ATF. He says you wouldn't believe how often they find out where people are who they are looking for because the idiots are posting pics flexing on social media.

Did a raid a few weeks ago after sitting on a wire on a group selling guns...dude literally told his boy on the phone where everything was. Like exactly where it was. They raid a few hours later, and everything was exactly where he claimed. One of the easiest searches he has done he said.

[Deleted User 89]

mine fits in my wallet

why should a vax card be any different than a driver’s license, birth certificate or social security card?

if it’s important enough, you’ll take care of it. of course, accidents happen...but the overwhelming majority of adults can, ya know, act like responsible adults

[twocoach]

Because I thought that it was reasonable to expect people to to store their vaccination card in a location where they wouldn't lose it.

People lose things. Records get misplaced. If you start limiting access to healthcare, schools, work, grocery stores, it has unintended consequences.

Limiting access to a museum or concert is one thing, but when it starts to creep beyond those recreational/leisure activities it gets much more problematic.

And?!? If I leave my drivers license or credit card at a store it causes all sorts of hassles, including not being able to purchase things, board flights, etc... I don't see you calling for us to "fix" this issue so that we can get an instantly issued replacement for those items.

Keep track of your shit or you may have a problem. It's called adulting.

[twocoach]

mine fits in my wallet

why should a vax card be any different than a driver’s license, birth certificate or social security card?

if it’s important enough, you’ll take care of it. of course, accidents happen...but the overwhelming majority of adults can, ya know, act like responsible adults

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.

[Deleted User 902]

I was also waiting for it.

I googled because I knew it was high: at last count, cell phone ownership was at 97%, and 85% of those were smartphones.

I will jump to my own conclusion here and say that it seems like more of those people not having a smartphone is more preference rather than not being able to afford it.

Not for nothing, but that would still mean 10 million don't have cells, and 50 million don't have smartphones (if this is all humans, not just adults). Probably closer to 7 and 35 million if just 18+.

I didn't dig deep, but it will of course never be 100% with disabled, incarcerated, infirm, etc.

Not with that attitude. I say get

Fun Fact, homeless folks have a similar demographic of cellphone ownership as the general population

"Despite fraught circumstances, the large majority of people experiencing homelessness remains connected and tech savvy.

"Ninety-five percent of people who are homeless have mobile phones, and 80 percent of those have smartphones," said Spriggs. "Often they might be on prepaid phones, with no credit, but they access free Wi-Fi to get online.""

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and- ... %20Spriggs.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Because I thought that it was reasonable to expect people to to store their vaccination card in a location where they wouldn't lose it.

People lose things. Records get misplaced. If you start limiting access to healthcare, schools, work, grocery stores, it has unintended consequences.

Limiting access to a museum or concert is one thing, but when it starts to creep beyond those recreational/leisure activities it gets much more problematic.

I don't think that it should be (and it is not) lose your vax card and you are fucked. But, I also agree here that the vax card is a sufficient piece of evidence to give to the patient for the time being.

I am not sure what you are saying should have been. A mobile vax passport would have been great. But, even ignoring the ridiculous political fight (and who was in the executive branch at the time), the goal was to get shots in arms in Nov/Dec 2021. You can't wait.

[twocoach]

Not for nothing, but that would still mean 10 million don't have cells, and 50 million don't have smartphones (if this is all humans, not just adults). Probably closer to 7 and 35 million if just 18+.

Of those 50 million, how many don't have a drawer in the place they live where they can keep documents they'd like to keep track of because they may need them? I'd hate for my alleged lack of empathy for the plight of others less fortunate to result in an unreasonable expectation...

Not sure how much snark, but:

https://www.healthypeople.gov/2020/topi ... nstability

"21.3 million households were cost burdened—of these, 11.4 million households were severely cost burdened."

So that's households, so I would assume around 1.5 people per household. Seems like a significant amount aren't so much worried about drawers, and care more about just having a door that locks.

I doubt that those people are too worried about whether or not they can attend a game at Arrowhead if they lose their vax card. My "well off" ass can't even afford to go to a game.