COVID-19 - On the Ground

[Deleted User 89]

and i’ll say again...social contract, people

if you want to be a member of society, there are rules, some unspoken, which you are expected to abide by...personal freedoms be damned

[Deleted User 89]

I will once again bring up there is some hypocrisy in being pro-choice and vaccine-mandate.

except for the whole infectious communicable disease thing

[pdub]

You could argue ( pretty legitimately ) you are ending a human life 100% - which is significantly a greater mortality rate than ~1%.

[pdub]

and i’ll say again...social contract, people

if you want to be a member of society, there are rules, some unspoken, which you are expected to abide by...personal freedoms be damned

And people disagree on these.
Hence the issue here.

[Deleted User 89]

You could argue ( pretty legitimately ) you are ending a human life 100% - which is significantly a greater mortality rate than ~1%.

but that’s a false equivalency, assuming you’re making the analogy of vaccines to abortion

the more apt comparison would be vaccines to birth control...both seeking to prevent, not treat

[CrimsonNBlue]

You could argue ( pretty legitimately ) you are ending a human life 100% - which is significantly a greater mortality rate than ~1%.

but that’s a false equivalency, assuming you’re making the analogy of vaccines to abortion

the more apt comparison would be vaccines to birth control...both seeking to prevent, not treat

There's no reason to find a comparison, they're always going to have logical fallacies. The US can mandate vaccines and it has for over a century.

[pdub]

You could argue ( pretty legitimately ) you are ending a human life 100% - which is significantly a greater mortality rate than ~1%.

but that’s a false equivalency, assuming you’re making the analogy of vaccines to abortion

the more apt comparison would be vaccines to birth control...both seeking to prevent, not treat

The argument here at the central core is telling a human what to do with their body.
I am pro-choice. And when I think about it, because i'm pro-choice, I should also be anti-forced-vax, though I can still think it is entirely the correct thing to do for yourself and others.

[sdoyel]

Just got an email from my son’s school and someone in his K class has Covid. Fun times.

[jfish26]

And its not an "anti vaxxer" issue. Its about freedom to make your own medical choices. Which is super fucked up that its controversial

Your entire line of reasoning on this subject is such horseshit.

An employer requiring vaccination (whether for employees, customers, whatever) is a business decision. It is not in any way "making" anyone's medical choices for them.

It's ridiculous Q- or Q-adjacent nonsense to suggest/theorize/fearmonger otherwise.

[ousdahl]

thinking outside the box

https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/20 ... es-it-easy

[CrimsonNBlue]

And its not an "anti vaxxer" issue. Its about freedom to make your own medical choices. Which is super fucked up that its controversial

Your entire line of reasoning on this subject is such horseshit.

An employer requiring vaccination (whether for employees, customers, whatever) is a business decision. It is not in any way "making" anyone's medical choices for them.

It's ridiculous Q- or Q-adjacent nonsense to suggest/theorize/fearmonger otherwise.

The one legal hiccup might be that Qers are a protected class of the mentally ill.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Delta Airlines testing out a vax passport-like app. Royal Caribbean requiring Florida port cruisers to be vaxed.

Ball is rolling. The more the businesses do this, the more popular vax passport will be.

[jfish26]

Delta Airlines testing out a vax passport-like app. Royal Caribbean requiring Florida port cruisers to be vaxed.

Ball is rolling. The more the businesses do this, the more popular vax passport will be.

The Florida passport ban vis a vis cruises was always the silliest; any 1L can dispatch with than one by like October 3.

[sdoyel]

Cant the federal govt overrule the airlines and require the vaccine?

[CrimsonNBlue]

Cant the federal govt overrule the airlines and require the vaccine?

For passengers? There are several ways to achieve that, yes. Just a straight blanket on all flying and/or the destinations requiring it for entry.

[Deleted User 863]

Are mandated flu vaccines next?

[randylahey]

Why do you not care about people, in general?

Thats a terribly dumb comment. First of all I chose to get vaccinated months ago. Someones vaccination status is not a reflection of them as a person tho. And I do care about people, which is why I think we should always have the right to make our own health decisions without facing consequences or backlash

Speaking of terribly dumb comments (and ignorance) - You said, "Forcing 100 percent of people to get a treatment for a virus that doesn't or barely affects 90+ percent is ignorant".

1) When we had "shutdowns"/"lockdowns" and even "mandates" it affected a hell of a lot more than 10% of the US population. It's still affecting more than 10% of the US population in many ways.
2) Have you ever had a loved one hospitalized for something major?
I assure you if you care about them - it affects you (and others who care about the loved one) too.

So please let's not pretend the only people who are "affected" by the virus are those who become severely sick from the virus.

Those lockdowns were ineffective and not backed by science. And are a separate issue. It was governments around the world panicking at the threat of the unknown. And for some reason copying china's response. Lockdowns were another another mistake by the government. We are still feeling the effects of it.

I think you accidentally supported my point tho. Lockdowns and vaccine mandates affect 100 percent of us. The virus affects maybe 5 percent. It makes no sense to enforce something on 100 percent of a population in regards to something that affects such a small percentage. Regardless of the situation

[jfish26]

Thats a terribly dumb comment. First of all I chose to get vaccinated months ago. Someones vaccination status is not a reflection of them as a person tho. And I do care about people, which is why I think we should always have the right to make our own health decisions without facing consequences or backlash

Speaking of terribly dumb comments (and ignorance) - You said, "Forcing 100 percent of people to get a treatment for a virus that doesn't or barely affects 90+ percent is ignorant".

1) When we had "shutdowns"/"lockdowns" and even "mandates" it affected a hell of a lot more than 10% of the US population. It's still affecting more than 10% of the US population in many ways.
2) Have you ever had a loved one hospitalized for something major?
I assure you if you care about them - it affects you (and others who care about the loved one) too.

So please let's not pretend the only people who are "affected" by the virus are those who become severely sick from the virus.

Those lockdowns were ineffective and not backed by science. And are a separate issue. It was governments around the world panicking at the threat of the unknown. And for some reason copying china's response. Lockdowns were another another mistake by the government. We are still feeling the effects of it.

I think you accidentally supported my point tho. Lockdowns and vaccine mandates affect 100 percent of us. The virus affects maybe 5 percent. It makes no sense to enforce something on 100 percent of a population in regards to something that affects such a small percentage. Regardless of the situation

The only "vaccine mandates" that "affect 100 percent of us" are the made up, straw man mandates you are using to stir shit. They don't exist, and won't exist.

[jhawks99]

Are mandated flu vaccines next?

They are where my wife works. Have been for years.

[randylahey]

Regardless of what happens there is going to be a big chunk of society unhappy with it. Thats pretty good evidence there is no perfect method. Too many variables. That is why I'm anti mandating anything. Personal choice and personal freedom must persevere