COVID-19 - On the Ground

[MICHHAWK]

to steal a phrase from comma'la harris:

"never let a good crisis go to waste. with crisis comes power"

[CrimsonNBlue]

jeebus.

[jfish26]

jeebus.

Always fun when you can't tell if the bigotry is intentional or just ignorant.

[Deleted User 902]

jeebus.

Always fun when you can't tell if the bigotry is intentional or just ignorant.

[Deleted User 89]

just read an summary article of new study that shows potential links between long-covid partial paralysis with homologs of the neurotoxic components of some snake venoms...phospholipase A2s

[sdoyel]

[PhDhawk]

Again, if you're the one in the thread arguing that 15,000 largely-preventable deaths are fine and a rounding error, some introspection is in order.

The number was hospitalizations not deaths. But yeah. They've had plenty of chances to get vaccinated if they wanted to go that route. Illness and death is just a normal part of the human experience. Covid falls into that at this point. Its been 2 years. Accept things and move forward. Like I said these numbers sound big but its a really really small portion of our population. Our population is just too big in general and too big for most people to rationalize

But you're looking at all of this in a vacuum. In practice, these are 15,000 hospital beds not available for people with other issues. 15,000 instances of finite resources (people, equipment, time, etc.) being needlessly wasted, largely because people threw a toddler rage-fit over getting the damn shots.

You are correct that that's 15,000 instances of (stupid) individual decisionmaking. But it affects lots and lots and lots of other people, like people who need those resources.

Right, and this is new. Something increases the predicted number of people who die in a year by 20% and it's a big deal. Someone who doesn't recognize that is the person who doesn't understand numbers.

Which is what makes the argument that it's only killing the old and very sick, such a dumb argument. If the virus was mostly killing people on their death bed, you wouldn't see this massive spike in total deaths.

[sdoyel]

It’s 25,000 ICU beds. Statistically 15,000 of those will die. But 25,000 is about 40% of all ICU beds in this country. People do need the beds for other things.

Speaking of numbers, 12,000 being added to the death toll in NY after Cuomo covered up those numbers. But I mean 12,000, who cares.

https://apnews.com/article/andrew-cuomo ... _medium=AP

[jfish26]

The number was hospitalizations not deaths. But yeah. They've had plenty of chances to get vaccinated if they wanted to go that route. Illness and death is just a normal part of the human experience. Covid falls into that at this point. Its been 2 years. Accept things and move forward. Like I said these numbers sound big but its a really really small portion of our population. Our population is just too big in general and too big for most people to rationalize

But you're looking at all of this in a vacuum. In practice, these are 15,000 hospital beds not available for people with other issues. 15,000 instances of finite resources (people, equipment, time, etc.) being needlessly wasted, largely because people threw a toddler rage-fit over getting the damn shots.

You are correct that that's 15,000 instances of (stupid) individual decisionmaking. But it affects lots and lots and lots of other people, like people who need those resources.

Right, and this is new. Something increases the predicted number of people who die in a year by 20% and it's a big deal. Someone who doesn't recognize that is the person who doesn't understand numbers.

Which is what makes the argument that it's only killing the old and very sick, such a dumb argument. If the virus was mostly killing people on their death bed, you wouldn't see this massive spike in total deaths.

New, and (relatedly) unanticipated in terms of resource needs. There just isn't this sort of excess capacity lying around unused.

[Deleted User 89]

https://news-medical.net/news/20210730/ ... erous.aspx

[CrimsonNBlue]

Seems only deaths that would have been down are flu and car wrecks. Which, you can look at covid restrictions playing a large part in keeping those numbers down.

[PhDhawk]

Seems only deaths that would have been down are flu and car wrecks. Which, you can look at covid restrictions playing a large part in keeping those numbers down.

Right, and the impact it had on flu should give you some indication of how bad covid would be if we'd done nothing.

[ousdahl]

[Mjl]

to steal a phrase from comma'la harris:

"never let a good crisis go to waste. with crisis comes power"

You realize this outbreak is very bad for those in charge politically... Don't you?

Weren't you one of the ones claiming it would magically go away when Biden takes charge because the hysteria was just because they were trying to take down Trump?

[Deleted User 902]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-upda ... n#79640306

100k in hospitals with Covid.

[MICHHAWK]

100k in hospitals with Covid.

the new administration is killing it.

[PhDhawk]

100k in hospitals with Covid.

the new administration is killing it.

Who's using the pandemic to their political advantage now, certainly not you, not the guy who posted:

never let a good crisis go to waste. with crisis comes power

Hypocrite

[MICHHAWK]

uncle joe made a lot of promises on the campaign trail. there wasn't anything that he couldn't do better.

so far, zip. zilch.

[PhDhawk]

I don't think coronaviruses care who's in office.

What matters is people (globally) getting vaccinated.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I thought the US was doing a great job vaccinating and the folks have moved on? Or was that last week's take. Or only if we aren't discussing politicians we don't agree with?