We Lost the Battle for the Republican Party’s Soul Long Ago

[Deleted User 863]

Part of our freedom to choose our religion should be the ability to choose to do without religion.

We have that.

Not when legislation and public policy that affect all constituents in a community are written based on religious beliefs.

Which specific legislation/policies are you speaking of?

Just curious, because that article you replied to is really just a headline if you actually click on it unless you're a subscriber.

[sdoyel]

[zsn]

Today's example of this is the country we live in.....
Remember, people elected this fuckwad.

https://dailymemphian.com/article/23792 ... cted-faith

The Bible as public policy is the very heart of the fundamental failure to provide Freedom of Religion. Part of our freedom to choose our religion should be the ability to choose to do without religion.

Republicans want a Theocracy. Have you checked out the policy statements under Mike Pompeo? Freedom FROM religion is as important as freedom OF religion. We cannot pretend we’re not a Theocracy as long as our money proclaims as such. While it’s a convenient cop out to claim that it doesn’t say which God, it still proclaims the fact that Theocracy is a central principle.

[ousdahl]

I always thought it was by design that “make no law respecting an establishment or religion” came before “prohibit the free exercise thereof”

But in practice tho, religion seems to get more respect than the 1A intends

[TDub]

Today's example of this is the country we live in.....
Remember, people elected this fuckwad.

https://dailymemphian.com/article/23792 ... cted-faith

The Bible as public policy is the very heart of the fundamental failure to provide Freedom of Religion. Part of our freedom to choose our religion should be the ability to choose to do without religion.

Republicans want a Theocracy. Have you checked out the policy statements under Mike Pompeo? Freedom FROM religion is as important as freedom OF religion. We cannot pretend we’re not a Theocracy as long as our money proclaims as such. While it’s a convenient cop out to claim that it doesn’t say which God, it still proclaims the fact that Theocracy is a central principle.

Awful broad brush ya got there

[zsn]

Do you know the words to the original Pledge of Allegiance? Name me one Conservative/Republican who advocates originalism in this regard.

I rest my case.

[Deleted User 89]

and it’s even with a capital “G”

[Deleted User 887]

Yes, this applies to Dems too.

[jfish26]

The Phantom Revolution

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p ... -hysteria/

At the moment, however, and for the foreseeable future, we are also living through an extended period of what can justly be called the Phantom Revolution, in which we rebel against threats to our liberty that don’t actually exist but that we create for ourselves. It is not a revolution of the mind. It’s a revolution of the gut. It is not a revolution of ideas. It’s a revolution of the id. We have so cheapened the idea of revolution that the emergence of this revolution manqué was inevitable. It has manifested itself in spasms over the past several decades, primarily through the development of the modern conservative mind, which has chosen a series of imaginary enemies against whom to stage a very real counterrevolutionary struggle. The Clinton Death List. The Birther Conspiracy. The Tea Party. Then four years of an administration* based on phantom policies, run by a president* who’d made his entire career out of phantom success and phantom wealth and who discharged his phantom duties with phantom competence. Donald Trump did not create the Phantom Revolution. But on his watch, the Phantom Revolution manifested itself in actual revolutionary activity, some of it violent.

On January 6, the Battle of the Phantom Election raged at the U. S. Capitol. It subsequently raged in a stadium in Arizona, where a Kabuki “audit” of the 2020 vote, engineered by the Republican majority in the state senate, encouraged the notion of the Phantom Election as something to oppose by any means necessary. The Phantom Revolution has also fought another battle of the Phantom Threat, this time against critical race theory, an area of study that was highly controversial at Harvard Law School almost 40 years ago. But through the dynamics of the Phantom Revolution, it was converted into a vast, sprawling enemy empire, dedicated to undermining the military, the law, and public schools. The battle raged at school-board meetings where activists loudly denounced the teaching of critical race theory in public primary and secondary schools. This was not something that was truly happening, except in the minds of the people who were fighting it, which was real enough for them.

[...]

The Senate will not confront the Phantom Revolution even when that revolution becomes quite real and arrives unbidden, right on the Senate’s doorstep.

For a revolutionary nation, we’ve become so bad at revolutions that we find it necessary to locate imaginary oppressors against whom to rebel, many of them the most powerless people around. We saw the beginnings of something real in the summer of 2020 following the killing of George Floyd, and the country is desperately in need of revolutionary change—to face the climate crisis, to rebuild itself, to address challenges undreamed of only a decade ago, to adjust its 18th-century government to the needs of the 21st, and, dammit, to run its elections in a sensible way. We should be better at all this than we are.

[Deleted User 89]

we should definitely be, and do, better

[Overlander]

We have that.

Not when legislation and public policy that affect all constituents in a community are written based on religious beliefs.

Which specific legislation/policies are you speaking of?

Just curious, because that article you replied to is really just a headline if you actually click on it unless you're a subscriber.

I have a few:

No beer/wine sales Sunday mornings.
No liquor sales on Sundays

[Deleted User 887]

Not when legislation and public policy that affect all constituents in a community are written based on religious beliefs.

Which specific legislation/policies are you speaking of?

Just curious, because that article you replied to is really just a headline if you actually click on it unless you're a subscriber.

I have a few:

No beer/wine sales Sunday mornings.
No liquor sales on Sundays

No car dealerships open in Illinois (and several/many other states) on Sundays.
In my lifetime there was no horse racing in Illinois on Sundays.

[Deleted User 89]

swearing in for court testimony, and i’m sure a number of other similar things (like political office)

while these are more convention than anything else, there is the expectation. fortunately that expectation isn’t as strong as it used to be

[sdoyel]

[japhy]

I was listening to a report on the news last night about the increase in enrollment in private schools in the KC area this year. This followed a report on violence at school board meetings over mask mandates. Are the two related? I don't know what local private school policies are for masks.

All in know for sure is that I am glad both of my daughters are adults now and I don't have to deal with this crap. In the meantime my youngest is a middle school band teacher. She just started in the MA program at KU over the summer. The goal is to get out of primary education and get into secondary. And move out of Kansas. She will probably end up in Colorado, taking up housing that could go to some more deserving worker because she is money conscious/responsible and will set her next goal at home ownership.

[twocoach]

I was listening to a report on the news last night about the increase in enrollment in private schools in the KC area this year. This followed a report on violence at school board meetings over mask mandates. Are the two related? I don't know what local private school policies are for masks.

All in know for sure is that I am glad both of my daughters are adults now and I don't have to deal with this crap. In the meantime my youngest is a middle school band teacher. She just started in the MA program at KU over the summer. The goal is to get out of primary education and get into secondary. And move out of Kansas. She will probably end up in Colorado, taking up housing that could go to some more deserving worker because she is money conscious/responsible and will set her next goal at home ownership.

I don't see moving kids to a private school getting anyone away from crazy parents. They may be crazy about different things but I have found crazy parents exist at every income level and societal tier.

[MICHHAWK]

private schools are at full capacity because parents want to get their children away from silly mandates. so the children can learn and grow and laugh and smile like children should.

the teachers unions are the biggest villians of the last 18 months. the private schools are educating.

[Deleted User 89]

it’s sad you actually believe that nonsense

[twocoach]

private schools are at full capacity because parents want to get their children away from silly mandates. so the children can learn and grow and laugh and smile like children should.

the teachers unions are the biggest villians of the last 18 months. the private schools are educating.

That's probably the tenth "biggest villain" you have identified so far. Everyone can't all be the worst or no one is the worst.

And private schools here in our city are nowhere near full. I have friends and family members who have kids at several different private Catholic schools. None of them are at capacity and all of them are actively seeking additional students.

[jfish26]

it’s sad you actually believe that nonsense

But, Fox News told him so.