Conference Realignment..?

[Deleted User 863]

LOL emotions are getting the best of some of you. Going to the SEC does nothing negative for Texas.

[Sparko]

LOL emotions are getting the best of some of you. Going to the SEC does nothing negative for Texas.

Who? Watching the Crimson Tide Network. MNF

[Deleted User 89]

t-shirt fans wouldn’t understand

[Deleted User 863]

If not having a degree from KU means i don't/won't/can't understand why some are being overly emotional about Texas and OU going to a better conference then guilty as charged. But it's silly to pretend they made a bad move.

[pdub]

Can’t remember if I posted this or not, but here’s my vote on divisions:

North

BYU
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State

This'd be my guess.

North:
BYU
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
West Virginia

[Deleted User 863]

We need our fans (with degrees from KU and without degree TShirt fans) to attend more games.....this from a .com article in 2018....

"Among the 65 power-five schools, plus Notre Dame, Duke had the second-lowest average attendance in the nation (26,797) in 2017. It's not cool to be a football fan at Duke. Krzyzewskiville is cool. Shame.

At least Kansas has a legitimate excuse for even smaller, albeit just barely, crowds (26,641). The Jayhawks are 3-33 the past three seasons. Nobody wants to watch their teams lose, especially in such uncompetitive fashion.

Eighty percent of power-five football programs draw more than 40,000 fans per game and 97 percent draw more than 30,000 a game, Duke and Kansas being the lone exceptions."


If we want to appeal to a better conference we need to start at least pretending we care about football.

[pdub]

"Nobody wants to watch their teams loose, especially in such uncompetitive fashion."

I think this is the central issue.
Capacity was at 100% even in 2009 when we were 5-7.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Per usual, the truth lies in the middle.

Of course there is an amount of risk involved for UT to move to the SEC. If there wasn't, they would have been there long ago.

[Deleted User 863]

"Nobody wants to watch their teams loose, especially in such uncompetitive fashion."

I think this is the central issue.
Capacity was at 100% even in 2009 when we were 5-7.

Ya. When we had the orange bowl run and those few years where we were really good it sure seemed like the energy around the team skyrocketed almost instantly.

[Deleted User 863]

Per usual, the truth lies in the middle.

Of course there is an amount of risk involved for UT to move to the SEC. If there wasn't, they would have been there long ago.

What are some of the risks?

[Deleted User 89]

If not having a degree from KU means i don't/won't/can't understand why some are being overly emotional about Texas and OU going to a better conference then guilty as charged. But it's silly to pretend they made a bad move.

you don’t know how this will turn out for them, nobody does

that’s why we’re discussing it

but please, keep pretending you’re the sage of realignment and attempting to squelch conversation and keep everyone in check

[Deleted User 863]

If not having a degree from KU means i don't/won't/can't understand why some are being overly emotional about Texas and OU going to a better conference then guilty as charged. But it's silly to pretend they made a bad move.

you don’t know how this will turn out for them, nobody does

that’s why we’re discussing it

but please, keep pretending you’re the sage of realignment and attempting to squelch conversation and keep everyone in check

How is it even possible for it to turn out badly?

They moved to a FAR superior football conference. They went from 4th or 5th best conference to 1st best conference.

Winning isn't all that important. They don't even dominate the big 12. But they do make loads of cash.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Per usual, the truth lies in the middle.

Of course there is an amount of risk involved for UT to move to the SEC. If there wasn't, they would have been there long ago.

What are some of the risks?

IMO, biggest one is the very real possibility their football relevance takes a huge hit. Looking now . . . the SEC has won 11 MNC's since the Big 12 last won one. And UT hasn't exactly been competitive in the Big 12 as of late--plenty of examples of big budget football programs taking back seats to programs that are just plain doing it better at the time. Penn State and Miami some examples off the top of my head.

Other obvious one is the 3rd tier rights. If the future really is streaming, then UT had as big of an asset as anyone to work with. That's gone now.

Relatedly, the Longhorn Network is a product of what UT liked so much about the Big 12 anyway: they were the big dog and got their way on everything. No one stood up to them taking over the league, which started all the way back when they moved the HQ to DFW from KC. That's not going to fly in the SEC.

[Deleted User 89]

you’re wasting your breath, Cnb

[CrimsonNBlue]

you’re wasting your breath, Cnb

Probably so. He's been on one lately.


But, the discussion is at least topical. A lot of things being thrown away just for money. Something the likes of illy would shit all over on different boards.

[Deleted User 863]

Per usual, the truth lies in the middle.

Of course there is an amount of risk involved for UT to move to the SEC. If there wasn't, they would have been there long ago.

What are some of the risks?

IMO, biggest one is the very real possibility their football relevance takes a huge hit. Looking now . . . the SEC has won 11 MNC's since the Big 12 last won one. And UT hasn't exactly been competitive in the Big 12 as of late--plenty of examples of big budget football programs taking back seats to programs that are just plain doing it better at the time. Penn State and Miami some examples off the top of my head.

Their relevance can't get worse from the move. They don't even dominate the big12, yet they were the top earning athletic program in the country in 2018-2019. It's not about winning, it's about money.

[CrimsonNBlue]

What are some of the risks?

IMO, biggest one is the very real possibility their football relevance takes a huge hit. Looking now . . . the SEC has won 11 MNC's since the Big 12 last won one. And UT hasn't exactly been competitive in the Big 12 as of late--plenty of examples of big budget football programs taking back seats to programs that are just plain doing it better at the time. Penn State and Miami some examples off the top of my head.

Their relevance can't get worse from the move. They don't even dominate the big12, yet they were the top earning athletic program in the country in 2018-2019. It's not about winning, it's about money.

Money is also tied to relevance which is tied to perception.

Fighting for 2nd or 3rd place in the Big 12 every year just looks and feels different than fighting Mizzou and Mississippi State for 7th place.

[Deleted User 863]

you’re wasting your breath, Cnb

I am always respectful to and have honest discussion with CnB.

Don't get confused because you and douchecoach get treated differently. You get what you give.

[pdub]

Even the best of programs can take a hit financially if the product suffers.
If Texas shows up and averages 5 win seasons in the SEC, they'll take a hit.

[pdub]

IMO, biggest one is the very real possibility their football relevance takes a huge hit. Looking now . . . the SEC has won 11 MNC's since the Big 12 last won one. And UT hasn't exactly been competitive in the Big 12 as of late--plenty of examples of big budget football programs taking back seats to programs that are just plain doing it better at the time. Penn State and Miami some examples off the top of my head.

Their relevance can't get worse from the move. They don't even dominate the big12, yet they were the top earning athletic program in the country in 2018-2019. It's not about winning, it's about money.

Money is also tied to relevance which is tied to perception.

Fighting for 2nd or 3rd place in the Big 12 every year just looks and feels different than fighting Mizzou and Mississippi State for 7th place.

Yes.
CnB beat me to it.