Conference Realignment..?

[Deleted User 89]

They've had a winning record in conference in the last decade.
My original argument in this thread was this:

"Even the best of programs can take a hit financially if the product suffers.
If Texas shows up and averages 5 win seasons in the SEC, they'll take a hit."

That's a loosing record.
If Texas wins 41% and not 55% or 66% of their conference games over the next 10 years, which is a greater risk of doing so in the SEC, I think the program will take a hit financially ( and obviously simply competitively ).

and i agree with all of that

i just don’t think a winning record equates to the kind of success they’d like. i know ut and their fans are a bit delusional, but imo they should have been dominating the Big12 (on par with ou) if there is to be any validity in the thought that they’d be anything more than mediocre in the SEC

If they maintain this barely over .500 thing they have going in the Big 12 in the SEC, I think they made the right move. If they get worse, and pile up loosing seasons, then I'm not so sure. That's my argument.

gotcha, and i tend to agree

though, i think even winning seasons will make the move a wash if they aren’t in the running for bowl games regularly

for ut, i’m not so sure this is all about money. it seems to me that they are of illy’s opinion, and that the move will just sort of automatically translate to more wins and easier access to bowls and natty’s

[CrimsonNBlue]

Later gators.

[Deleted User 89]

I understand the emotions and hoping they do poorly because of feeling like they wronged KU.

Just don't think it's realistically possible for this to be the wrong move if the only alternative was staying in the big12.

despite multiple people pointing out exactly how it’s possible?

[Deleted User 863]

I understand the emotions and hoping they do poorly because of feeling like they wronged KU.

Just don't think it's realistically possible for this to be the wrong move if the only alternative was staying in the big12.

despite multiple people pointing out exactly how it’s possible?

Yes. I disagree with them that being mediocre in the SEC is worse than being mediocre in the Big12.

The scenarios people have provided are hypotheticals and subjective as to whether it's truly "worse" for them.

The main (and probably only relevant) indicator is going to be money. And i haven't seen anywhere that shows they're going to make significantly less money in the SEC.

The crash and burn predictions are hopeful wishing by scorned big12 fans. I totally get it.

My prediction is that they're the 4th-7th best team in the SEC many years. Which in my opinion is better than being 2nd-4th in the big12. Neither gets you in the CFP. One is in the premier football conference.

[Deleted User 89]

I understand the emotions and hoping they do poorly because of feeling like they wronged KU.

Just don't think it's realistically possible for this to be the wrong move if the only alternative was staying in the big12.

despite multiple people pointing out exactly how it’s possible?

Yes. I disagree with them that being mediocre in the SEC is worse than being mediocre in the Big12.

The scenarios people have provided are hypotheticals and subjective as to whether it's truly "worse" for them.

The main (and probably only relevant) indicator is going to be money. And i haven't seen anywhere that shows they're going to make significantly less money in the SEC.

The crash and burn predictions are hopeful wishing by scorned big12 fans. I totally get it.

My prediction is that they're the 4th-7th best team in the SEC many years. Which in my opinion is better than being 2nd-4th in the big12. Neither gets you in the CFP. One is in the premier football conference.

so you think it’s all about money for the wealthiest program in the country?

[ChalkRocker]

I understand the emotions and hoping they do poorly because of feeling like they wronged KU.

Just don't think it's realistically possible for this to be the wrong move if the only alternative was staying in the big12.

And now we're back to the beginning...rinse and repeat...

You do the same thing in most every thread - you have a narrative set in your mind and will argue ad nauseum to “prove” that you’re right despite numerous people making articulate, well thought out arguments to the contrary...

you’ve got the logic, reading comprehension and rhetorical prowess of a 12 year old

^^^this guy gets it; why it's four pages of wasted time by those who disagree with him...

[Deleted User 863]

despite multiple people pointing out exactly how it’s possible?

Yes. I disagree with them that being mediocre in the SEC is worse than being mediocre in the Big12.

The scenarios people have provided are hypotheticals and subjective as to whether it's truly "worse" for them.

The main (and probably only relevant) indicator is going to be money. And i haven't seen anywhere that shows they're going to make significantly less money in the SEC.

The crash and burn predictions are hopeful wishing by scorned big12 fans. I totally get it.

My prediction is that they're the 4th-7th best team in the SEC many years. Which in my opinion is better than being 2nd-4th in the big12. Neither gets you in the CFP. One is in the premier football conference.

so you think it’s all about money for the wealthiest program in the country?

They could go undefeated in the Missouri Valley Conference. I am sure they'd extend an invite if Texas is interested in backing out of the SEC move?

[Deleted User 863]

Hey nbd guys. You are hoping they do poorly because you are upset. You are hoping it is somehow the wrong move (as if that'll ever be possible to prove) so you can tell your Texas buddies i told you so. Totally understandable reaction. People were upset when Mizzou left too saying what a terrible move it was. Did they make the wrong move? Not in my opinion.

It's like getting dumped by a girl for a guy she likes better and trying to convince yourself that she was wrong and she's going to be worse off without you. Even though he's more stable, better looking, and has more money.

I mean for christ sakes we were thinking (hoping?) the big 12 might fold without UT and OU. That says a lot. They wanted to go play in the big boy football conference. Hard to blame them.

Also not a coincidence that it's mostly scorned big12 fans predicting it's the wrong move or they'll be worse off for it.

[Deleted User 89]

see, i ask reasonable questions and you eventually end up acting like a child

good job

[Deleted User 863]

see, i ask reasonable questions and you eventually end up acting like a child

good job

Nothing screams "i am the superior adult" quite like arguing with a stranger you think is a child every single day. All day long.

Cracks me up.

[pdub]

"You are hoping they do poorly because you are upset."

The worst.
This stuff is why no one likes arguing with you.
Obnoxious.

Be like if I just said, "we know you secretly like UT because you didn't go to KU".
It doesn't make any sense and i'm putting words into your mouth and throwing random arguments around.

[Deleted User 863]

"You are hoping they do poorly because you are upset."

The worst.
This stuff is why no one likes arguing with you.
Obnoxious.

There's some truth to it.

Some of you are letting your hopes of them failing create reasons in your head why this is actually a bad move, when we all (should) know it was a smart move.

[Deleted User 863]

Answer these questions....

1) are you upset Texas is leaving the big 12?

2) do you hope Texas does poorly in the SEC?

3) do you think the Big12 is better than the SEC?

[pdub]

Literally, just moments ago, in this thread you agreed with:

"Nobody wants to watch their teams loose, especially in such uncompetitive fashion.
I think this is the central issue.
Capacity was at 100% even in 2009 when we were 5-7."

With:

"Ya. When we had the orange bowl run and those few years where we were really good it sure seemed like the energy around the team skyrocketed almost instantly."

Then you ask about the risks of Texas going to the SEC.
You get the risks.
And then when presented the risks, which directly apply to the thing you just MOMENTS ago agreed with - competitive football being a factor of interest ( thus financial interest ) in the team - you turtle in and just say we're angry about Texas leaving.

Woof.

[pdub]

"You are hoping they do poorly because you are upset."

The worst.
This stuff is why no one likes arguing with you.
Obnoxious.

There's some truth to it.

Some of you are letting your hopes of them failing create reasons in your head why this is actually a bad move, when we all (should) know it was a smart move.

We're arguing the risks.
We have presented the gains ( and acknowledge them ).
The risks coincide with something you, literally a post before you asked about them, posted in agreement with.

[Deleted User 863]

Literally, just moments ago, in this thread you agreed with:

"Nobody wants to watch their teams loose, especially in such uncompetitive fashion.
I think this is the central issue.
Capacity was at 100% even in 2009 when we were 5-7."

With:

"Ya. When we had the orange bowl run and those few years where we were really good it sure seemed like the energy around the team skyrocketed almost instantly."

Then you ask about the risks of Texas going to the SEC.
You get the risks.
And then when presented the risks, which directly apply to the thing you just MOMENTS ago agreed with - competitive football being a factor of interest ( thus financial interest ) in the team - you turtle in and just say we're angry about Texas leaving.

Woof.

One was talking about Kansas and why they maybe aren't all that appealing to the Big10 as a football school.

And one was talking about Texas who is always among the top revenue earners despite their teams record.


You now predicting texas goes 3-33 the next 3 seasons like we had when the article I referenced was written? Didn't think so.

As CnB would say, that's apples to coconuts.

[pdub]

Later gators.

Underrated post here.

[MICHHAWK]

Answer these questions....

1) are you upset Texas is leaving the big 12?

2) do you hope Texas does poorly in the SEC?

3) do you think the Big12 is better than the SEC?

no

yes

the BIG 12 is better in basketball. not better in football.




same answers apply for okla.

[Deleted User 863]

Answer these questions....

1) are you upset Texas is leaving the big 12?

2) do you hope Texas does poorly in the SEC?

3) do you think the Big12 is better than the SEC?

1) yes
2) yes
3) no

[pdub]

The arguments directly after your question were:

"Fighting for 2nd or 3rd place in the Big 12 every year just looks and feels different than fighting Mizzou and Mississippi State for 7th place.

If Texas shows up and averages 5 win seasons in the SEC, they'll take a hit."

If you agree that football success is a large factor in following ( i.e. Kansas's SUDDEN jump in excitement and attendance of which you, yourself, posted, in this thread ) then you could see the reason if Texas was sub .500 in the SEC, not making bowl games year in/year out, it could backfire on their brand and their fanbase.