Automobiles

[Overlander]

Helped my wifes friend negotiate a new Lexus.
I was shocked to find that heated seats and steering wheel are OPTIONS.

[sdoyel]

Speaking of automobiles, I just stumbled onto this…

[pdub]

The BUD has heated seats and wheel.
I like to roll eyes at it but when its January and 3 degrees out, im not not going to turn both up to max.

[zsn]

How long does it take to charge an EV? I can't see doing a cross country road trip in one if you have to spend hours at the "pump" to recharge.

depends on the voltage you’re pushing, among other things

59h at 110v...to just over an hour at 440v

edit: that’s for a kia, but is probably in the ballpark

I own a Leaf [insert Bay Area-related snark] and it’s not that bad charging for local driving especially since that’s 90+% of what we use cars for. Maybe even 98%. When I was commuting I would charge every other day, 60 miles each day round trip. With DC fast charging it would take about 30-40 minutes.

I see a steady state eventually (10 years?) where people would own EVs and then rent some fossil fuel vehicle for long distance driving or have battery exchanges. Conceivably there may be a plug-in generator that one could rent for long trips? Don’t know if we can build one powerful enough. I don’t think it’s going to be possible to fully replace IC vehicles but I think the goal of using them very sparingly can be achieved.

[Overlander]

Hybrids make sense.

If Jeep brings 4XE tech to the Gladiator, I may trade.

[jfish26]

Helped my wifes friend negotiate a new Lexus.
I was shocked to find that heated seats and steering wheel are OPTIONS.

Don't even go down the path with German cars. They achieve "reasonable" starting MSRPs by making shit that's standard on Hyundais and Kias (no offense meant!) optional. Like, want a key fob as opposed to a key you have to turn? That's in a $4,800 convenience package.

[jfish26]

How long does it take to charge an EV? I can't see doing a cross country road trip in one if you have to spend hours at the "pump" to recharge.

depends on the voltage you’re pushing, among other things

59h at 110v...to just over an hour at 440v

edit: that’s for a kia, but is probably in the ballpark

I own a Leaf [insert Bay Area-related snark] and it’s not that bad charging for local driving especially since that’s 90+% of what we use cars for. Maybe even 98%. When I was commuting I would charge every other day, 60 miles each day round trip. With DC fast charging it would take about 30-40 minutes.

I see a steady state eventually (10 years?) where people would own EVs and then rent some fossil fuel vehicle for long distance driving or have battery exchanges. Conceivably there may be a plug-in generator that one could rent for long trips? Don’t know if we can build one powerful enough. I don’t think it’s going to be possible to fully replace IC vehicles but I think the goal of using them very sparingly can be achieved.

I think a bigger deal than emissions on a car-by-car basis is radical changes to urban planning (and, yes, tax policy) to dramatically reduce the use of personal vehicles altogether.

[PhDhawk]

Floor mats were an optional upgrade on a car I looked at a few years ago.

Not, better floor mats, floor mats at all.

[CrimsonNBlue]

depends on the voltage you’re pushing, among other things

59h at 110v...to just over an hour at 440v

edit: that’s for a kia, but is probably in the ballpark

I own a Leaf [insert Bay Area-related snark] and it’s not that bad charging for local driving especially since that’s 90+% of what we use cars for. Maybe even 98%. When I was commuting I would charge every other day, 60 miles each day round trip. With DC fast charging it would take about 30-40 minutes.

I see a steady state eventually (10 years?) where people would own EVs and then rent some fossil fuel vehicle for long distance driving or have battery exchanges. Conceivably there may be a plug-in generator that one could rent for long trips? Don’t know if we can build one powerful enough. I don’t think it’s going to be possible to fully replace IC vehicles but I think the goal of using them very sparingly can be achieved.

I think a bigger deal than emissions on a car-by-car basis is radical changes to urban planning (and, yes, tax policy) to dramatically reduce the use of personal vehicles altogether.

All for it. Love seeing city roads being annexed by public space and public transport.

[jfish26]

I own a Leaf [insert Bay Area-related snark] and it’s not that bad charging for local driving especially since that’s 90+% of what we use cars for. Maybe even 98%. When I was commuting I would charge every other day, 60 miles each day round trip. With DC fast charging it would take about 30-40 minutes.

I see a steady state eventually (10 years?) where people would own EVs and then rent some fossil fuel vehicle for long distance driving or have battery exchanges. Conceivably there may be a plug-in generator that one could rent for long trips? Don’t know if we can build one powerful enough. I don’t think it’s going to be possible to fully replace IC vehicles but I think the goal of using them very sparingly can be achieved.

I think a bigger deal than emissions on a car-by-car basis is radical changes to urban planning (and, yes, tax policy) to dramatically reduce the use of personal vehicles altogether.

All for it. Love seeing city roads being annexed by public space and public transport.

Me too. I'd love to see an exploration of the idea of converting present-day medium-sized downtowns (think KC) to personal-carless in the inner core, starting with massive parking lots at convenient terminal nodes inbound from the primary suburbs. So, the idea is you park and are then quickly and efficiently whisked (bus? automated car?) to where you need to be downtown.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I think a bigger deal than emissions on a car-by-car basis is radical changes to urban planning (and, yes, tax policy) to dramatically reduce the use of personal vehicles altogether.

All for it. Love seeing city roads being annexed by public space and public transport.

Me too. I'd love to see an exploration of the idea of converting present-day medium-sized downtowns (think KC) to personal-carless in the inner core, starting with massive parking lots at convenient terminal nodes inbound from the primary suburbs. So, the idea is you park and are then quickly and efficiently whisked (bus? automated car?) to where you need to be downtown.

KC kind of has the skeleton in place with Union Station (I-35) and River Market (I-70, north highways). I think the baby step is to copy Denver and restrict cars from stretches of Main Street for the streetcar.

[jfish26]

All for it. Love seeing city roads being annexed by public space and public transport.

Me too. I'd love to see an exploration of the idea of converting present-day medium-sized downtowns (think KC) to personal-carless in the inner core, starting with massive parking lots at convenient terminal nodes inbound from the primary suburbs. So, the idea is you park and are then quickly and efficiently whisked (bus? automated car?) to where you need to be downtown.

KC kind of has the skeleton in place with Union Station (I-35) and River Market (I-70, north highways). I think the baby step is to copy Denver and restrict cars from stretches of Main Street for the streetcar.

Generally agree, although I'd suggest that the more efficient landing spots for northlanders would be prior to crossing the river. So, for people who presently come in via 169, the downtown airport (by way of example).

Any time you'd lose transitioning to downtown transit would be gained by not bottlenecking over the bridge.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Going to be a lot of action on north side of downtown for first time in awhile with Berkeley riverfront development, the new O'Neill bridge, giant global brand casino, and new Kauffman Stadium.

[Deleted User 89]

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/r1t ... irst-drive

saw my first one in Colorado over the weekend

Musk is probably shutting himself

[sdoyel]

Helped my wifes friend negotiate a new Lexus.
I was shocked to find that heated seats and steering wheel are OPTIONS.

Don't even go down the path with German cars. They achieve "reasonable" starting MSRPs by making shit that's standard on Hyundais and Kias (no offense meant!) optional. Like, want a key fob as opposed to a key you have to turn? That's in a $4,800 convenience package.

Speaking of Kias, I recently bought a Kia Telluride. I ordered it last August and it took 4 months to arrive.

For 50K I have heads up display, heated steering wheel, 2nd row heated/cooled Captain's chairs, 360 camera, blind spot cameras, collision warning system, and countless other perks...

There's a reason this was Motor Trend's SUV of the year for 2020.

Still can't find them in stock and few can even find them at MSRP. Most have a markup of 5-10K.

Never thought I'd own a Kia, but I'm happy with it thus far...

[CrimsonNBlue]

Never thought I'd own a Kia, but I'm happy with it thus far...

My plan is to drive my Mercedes until it dies, but if forced to change today, I would also go with something in the Hyundai family in a heartbeat now.

Same luxuries (in fact Genesis has more), way different price tag, and maintenance on German is so high--previously had a VW that routinely gave me problems. And, I think a lot of American drivers are moving that direction.

[sdoyel]

Never thought I'd own a Kia, but I'm happy with it thus far...

My plan is to drive my Mercedes until it dies, but if forced to change today, I would also go with something in the Hyundai family in a heartbeat now.

Same luxuries (in fact Genesis has more), way different price tag, and maintenance on German is so high--previously had a VW that routinely gave me problems. And, I think a lot of American drivers are moving that direction.

I am in a Telluride group on FB and you wouldn't believe the amount of folks who traded in their X5's, Lexus, Mercedes, etc for the Telluride.

These Tellurides are actually built in the USA at a Georgia plant.

[Deleted User 89]

Helped my wifes friend negotiate a new Lexus.
I was shocked to find that heated seats and steering wheel are OPTIONS.

Don't even go down the path with German cars. They achieve "reasonable" starting MSRPs by making shit that's standard on Hyundais and Kias (no offense meant!) optional. Like, want a key fob as opposed to a key you have to turn? That's in a $4,800 convenience package.

Speaking of Kias, I recently bought a Kia Telluride. I ordered it last August and it took 4 months to arrive.

For 50K I have heads up display, heated steering wheel, 2nd row heated/cooled Captain's chairs, 360 camera, blind spot cameras, collision warning system, and countless other perks...

There's a reason this was Motor Trend's SUV of the year for 2020.

Still can't find them in stock and few can even find them at MSRP. Most have a markup of 5-10K.

Never thought I'd own a Kia, but I'm happy with it thus far...

no mention of the 7 usb ports?

lol...heard that in one of the commercials and had to chuckle

[shindig]

Never thought I'd own a Kia, but I'm happy with it thus far...

My plan is to drive my Mercedes until it dies, but if forced to change today, I would also go with something in the Hyundai family in a heartbeat now.

Same luxuries (in fact Genesis has more), way different price tag, and maintenance on German is so high--previously had a VW that routinely gave me problems. And, I think a lot of American drivers are moving that direction.

My younger bro bought a Kia K5 sport with AWD. It's nice and probably $15k cheaper than my Audi A4 brand new.

[ousdahl]

Never thought I'd own a Kia, but I'm happy with it thus far...

My plan is to drive my Mercedes until it dies, but if forced to change today, I would also go with something in the Hyundai family in a heartbeat now.

Same luxuries (in fact Genesis has more), way different price tag, and maintenance on German is so high--previously had a VW that routinely gave me problems. And, I think a lot of American drivers are moving that direction.

I am in a Telluride group on FB and you wouldn't believe the amount of folks who traded in their X5's, Lexus, Mercedes, etc for the Telluride.

These Tellurides are actually built in the USA at a Georgia plant.

As a Detroit native, dad gave me so much shit when I bought an ImPoRt!!! truck. So I check - turns out my Tacoma is built in El Paso Texas.

He checks his little Cadillac SUV thing, and it’s built in Mexico.

So now, every time I ride in it, I comment that the thing smells like enchiladas.