Lord of the Rubes - The Voter Fraud Chapter

[PhDhawk]

$276 million spent by a financially strapped state for a toddler hissy fit by Q kooks and whiners so that they can let everyone know they don't like being asked to wear a mask.

The Party of Fiscal Responsibility indeed.

You don't get it, you sheep, having to wear a cloth mask in public is worse than slavery, genocide, and the movie Gigli combined! This infringement on our freedom is more important than the American revolution and Civil War!

[japhy]

$276 million spent by a financially strapped state for a toddler hissy fit by Q kooks and whiners so that they can let everyone know they don't like being asked to wear a mask.

The Party of Fiscal Responsibility indeed.

You don't get it, you sheep, having to wear a cloth mask in public is worse than slavery, genocide, and the movie Gigli combined! This infringement on our freedom is more important than the American revolution and Civil War!

It is probably caused by an ivermectin deficiency in their diet.

[ousdahl]

It’s prompted a lot of calls for recall reform.

It can be viewed as another GOP power grab attempting to establish minority rule.

If newsom had been recalled, he would have been replaced with whomever among a long goofy list of candidates got the most votes otherwise, even if it was only like 1 in 5 Californians supporting them, and even if they were gonna pursue an agenda that a vast majority of the state didn’t support.

Perhaps the GOP’s only real mistake was, not propping up some movie star Arnold type candidate to take over

[Deleted User 89]

i thought i just heard that cali was something like $80b in the black?

[Deleted User 89]

did anyone else see Newsome, at one of his victory rallies, come out on stage to Tupac’s California Love?

[ousdahl]

[sdoyel]

Can you imagine if this guy got back into the White House?

[Overlander]

Can you imagine if this guy got back into the White House?

I will let you know in 3 years.

[zsn]

i thought i just heard that cali was something like $80b in the black?

Don’t know if it’s $80b. But in the black nonetheless. #FailedLiberalState

[Deleted User 89]

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/2 ... 83?cid=apn

[twocoach]

Memo from one of Trump's lawyers to Pence on the steps they believed Pence could take to overturn the election results on January 6th.

"So here’s the scenario we propose:
1. VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if
Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with
Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral
Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).

2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors,
and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This
would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.

3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States,
there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That
means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th
Amendment -- is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been
advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the
electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for
Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.

4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior
position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th
Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the
matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the
representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently
control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote.
President Trump is re-elected there as well.

5. One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon
getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their
separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on
debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining
the rules of the present one — a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully
argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules
(which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the
state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate
of electors, if they had not already done so.

6. The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission
– either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side
challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President
of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would
press a lawsuit would have their past position -- that these are non-justiciable
political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The
fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the
ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind. "

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/2 ... n.memo.pdf

[zsn]

The word you’re looking for is Byzantine. A system open to such shenanigans is horrendous, especially if we don’t plug the holes that we are blatantly aware of.

Abolish the EC (unfortunately requires a Constitutional Amendment) or at the very least get the 270-compact approved - it’s the one where the States award EC votes to the National popular vote winner.

[sdoyel]

I’m shocked. Shocked I tell ya.

He had his minions knocking down the doors and beating police with flag poles.

[sdoyel]

[TDub]

Hey! look who changed their avatar! I'd like to think I gave you just the push you need to take the first step toward recovery.

[jfish26]

Memo from one of Trump's lawyers to Pence on the steps they believed Pence could take to overturn the election results on January 6th.

"So here’s the scenario we propose:
1. VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if
Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with
Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral
Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).

2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors,
and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This
would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.

3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States,
there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That
means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th
Amendment -- is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been
advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the
electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for
Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.

4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior
position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th
Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the
matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the
representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently
control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote.
President Trump is re-elected there as well.

5. One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon
getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their
separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on
debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining
the rules of the present one — a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully
argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules
(which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the
state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate
of electors, if they had not already done so.

6. The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission
– either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side
challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President
of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would
press a lawsuit would have their past position -- that these are non-justiciable
political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The
fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the
ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind. "

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/2 ... n.memo.pdf

This tells you how close we came.

All of this legal-sounding bullshit would have been eagerly gobbled up and swallowed whole by the faux-principled Trumpsters, and the (stolen) Court* would have either rubber-stamped it, or passed on it, throwing everything into physical chaos.

* RBG, what in the FUCK.

[twocoach]

What still concerns me is if a competent person that more competent people like to work for picks up the Donald Trump playbook. If Trump wasn't surrounded by as many incompetent idiots and sycophants we'd be in serious trouble.

[jfish26]

What still concerns me is if a competent person that more competent people like to work for picks up the Donald Trump playbook. If Trump wasn't surrounded by as many incompetent idiots and sycophants we'd be in serious trouble.

Oh, no doubt. And not just competent, but (darkly) principled. Our saving grace was that Trump was neither competent nor truly principled.

[twocoach]

What still concerns me is if a competent person that more competent people like to work for picks up the Donald Trump playbook. If Trump wasn't surrounded by as many incompetent idiots and sycophants we'd be in serious trouble.

Oh, no doubt. And not just competent, but (darkly) principled. Our saving grace was that Trump was neither competent nor truly principled.

You don't find "whatever gets my ego fed, my rocks off or my pocket lined" to be highly principled?

[jfish26]

What still concerns me is if a competent person that more competent people like to work for picks up the Donald Trump playbook. If Trump wasn't surrounded by as many incompetent idiots and sycophants we'd be in serious trouble.

Oh, no doubt. And not just competent, but (darkly) principled. Our saving grace was that Trump was neither competent nor truly principled.

You don't find "whatever gets my ego fed, my rocks off or my pocket lined" to be highly principled?

You're of course correct; he is deeply principled. It's just that his deeply-help principles are far less dangerous for the country than the deeply-held principles of others in the GOP.