Totally random thread

[TDub]

Dog found a campsite he'd used and got more information out of the campgrounds in 2 days than the FBI did in a 2 weeks . Florida trusts the mullet

[TDub]

I need to get firewood cut...or its gonna be a long miserable winter. too much shit to get done in the next month...goddamn drought fuckin up my preparations

it was 58 in my house this morning ...

[ChalkRocker]

Florida trusts the mullet

What could go wrong?

[TDub]

Florida trusts the mullet

What could go wrong?

apparently inside that park or just outside of it is an area called Mullet Cove Swamp or Mullet Key Swamp or something...


dog might just be the man for the job

[ousdahl]

That place is like party central

In the back of the swamp, at least.

[Deleted User 887]

Today's edition of - HUH?

[Deleted User 887]

I've been Guttered!
Fire in my 60 floor building tonight. Fire was in the garbage chute and was thankfully extinguished.
Elevators were shut off - as they should have been.
Finally turned on the elevators including the freight elevator. Freight elevator comes, the doors start to close, dumbass me puts my left foot out to try and keep them from closing so I can get on the elevator. I know I didn't break my foot but there is something wrong and it feels like it's maybe a nerve thing. Tingling sensation.
LAST place I want to go/be right now is the Emergency Room of Northwestern Hospital.
Meanwhile, there is a strong smoke odor in the hallway/s. A faint but noticeable one in my apartment.
I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to check in to a hotel.
Gutter being Gutter, I figure if I do check in to a hotel I'll end up getting Guttered again and probably get shot, mugged, whatever.

[ousdahl]

you can crash on my futon if you want

[TDub]

why....would one go to a hotel? because of a faint smoke smell? Do you go to a hotel everytime you burn dinner? or something drips on the burners?

[Deleted User 887]

you can crash on my futon if you want

Thank you!

[Deleted User 887]

why....would one go to a hotel? because of a faint smoke smell? Do you go to a hotel everytime you burn dinner? or something drips on the burners?

Somewhat short answer -
Thankfully I don't feel the "need" to do as such this evening but either way, I prefer not to have ANY unpleasant smoke odor in my apartment that won't dissipate when I go to sleep.
No, I don't go to a hotel every time I burn dinner but I did go to a hotel one night when my apartment was painted because I preferred not to endure the odor of the paint.
There is a hotel a block away from me so it's an easy relocate.


Granted, I did say "faint odor" but here is a long answer -

Exposure to Smoke from Fires....

The smoke released by any type of fire (forest, brush, crop, structure, tires, waste or wood burning) is a mixture of particles and chemicals produced by incomplete burning of carbon-containing materials. All smoke contains carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and particulate matter (PM or soot). Smoke can contain many different chemicals, including aldehydes, acid gases, sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), benzene, toluene, styrene, metals and dioxins. The type and amount of particles and chemicals in smoke varies depending on what is burning, how much oxygen is available, and the burn temperature.

Exposure to high levels of smoke should be avoided. Individuals are advised to limit their physical exertion if exposure to high levels of smoke cannot be avoided. Individuals with cardiovascular or respiratory conditions (e.g., asthma), fetuses, infants, young children, and the elderly may be more vulnerable to the health effects of smoke exposure.

Inhaling smoke for a short time can cause immediate (acute) effects. Smoke is irritating to the eyes, nose, and throat, and its odor may be nauseating. Studies have shown that some people exposed to heavy smoke have temporary changes in lung function, which makes breathing more difficult. Two of the major agents in smoke that can cause health effects are carbon monoxide gas and very small particles (fine particles, or PM2.5 ). These particles are two and one half (2.5) microns or less in size (25,400 microns equal an inch) and individual particles are too small to be seen with the naked eye.

Inhaling carbon monoxide decreases the body's oxygen supply. This can cause headaches, reduce alertness, and aggravate a heart condition known as angina. Fine particles are able to travel deeply into the respiratory tract, reaching the lungs. Inhaling fine particles can cause a variety of health effects, including respiratory irritation and shortness of breath, and can worsen medical conditions such as asthma and heart disease. During increased physical exertion, cardiovascular effects can be worsened by exposure to carbon monoxide and particulate matter. Once exposure stops, symptoms from inhaling carbon monoxide or fine particles generally diminish, but may last for a couple of days.

Avoiding smoky situations is the best way to avoid exposure. If your age or health status places you at greater risk from smoke exposure you should speak with your doctor about alternative steps you can take when encountering smoky situations. Anyone with persisting or frequent symptoms that they think are associated with smoke exposure should see their health care provider. Additional information on carbon monoxide and fine particles can be found at the web addresses listed at the end of this fact sheet.

There is also the potential for chronic health effects from exposure to the components of smoke. Long term exposure to ambient air containing fine particles has been associated with increases in cardiovascular disease and mortality in populations living in areas with higher fine particulate air pollution. Frequent exposure to smoke for brief periods may also cause long-term health effects. Firefighters, who are exposed frequently to smoke, have been examined for long-term health effects (for example, cancer, lung disease, and cardiovascular disease) of repeated smoke exposures. The findings from these studies are not consistent or conclusive. Some studies show an increased frequency of these diseases among firefighters compared to similar male reference populations (e.g., male policemen, white males in the general population), while others do not.

When it is necessary to work in heavy smoke, use appropriate respiratory protection to reduce exposure to the particles and gases in smoke. However, understand the limitations and cautions associated with respirator use before you use one. Important information on respirators is available at the web address listed at the end of this fact sheet.

https://health.ny.gov/environmental/out ... m_fire.htm

[TDub]

I think 1 night of faded smoke smell is probably ok.....


I assume you also didn't go to bars before smoking was banned...

or smoke...
or drink...
or do drugs...
or go to a fireworks show
or a loud concert
ir have a bonfire....or camp


im obviously being difficult just for the sake of being difficult. You can snd should do whatever you want or think you should do...I dont care. Its just weird to me. But, I do weird shit too. So..carry on..

[Deleted User 887]

I think 1 night of faded smoke smell is probably ok.....


I assume you also didn't go to bars before smoking was banned...

or smoke...
or drink...
or do drugs...
or go to a fireworks show
or a loud concert
ir have a bonfire....or camp


im obviously being difficult just for the sake of being difficult. You can snd should do whatever you want or think you should do...I dont care. Its just weird to me. But, I do weird shit too. So..carry on..

Honestly, I appreciate your interaction. Your being "difficult" or not.
Yes, one night was ok and this morning I and several other residents are going to respectfully voice our feelings and opinions with building management. They handled it very poorly. I will consider it to be a constructive criticism session.

[Overlander]

I think 1 night of faded smoke smell is probably ok.....


I assume you also didn't go to bars before smoking was banned...

or smoke...
or drink...
or do drugs...
or go to a fireworks show
or a loud concert
ir have a bonfire....or camp


im obviously being difficult just for the sake of being difficult. You can snd should do whatever you want or think you should do...I dont care. Its just weird to me. But, I do weird shit too. So..carry on..

Honestly, I appreciate your interaction. Your being "difficult" or not.
Yes, one night was ok and this morning I and several other residents are going to respectfully voice our feelings and opinions with building management. They handled it very poorly. I will consider it to be a constructive criticism session.

The good 'ol Gutter intervention.
Are you going to speak, or just stand in the back and make faces while someone actually does speak up?

[Deleted User 887]

I think 1 night of faded smoke smell is probably ok.....


I assume you also didn't go to bars before smoking was banned...

or smoke...
or drink...
or do drugs...
or go to a fireworks show
or a loud concert
ir have a bonfire....or camp


im obviously being difficult just for the sake of being difficult. You can snd should do whatever you want or think you should do...I dont care. Its just weird to me. But, I do weird shit too. So..carry on..

Honestly, I appreciate your interaction. Your being "difficult" or not.
Yes, one night was ok and this morning I and several other residents are going to respectfully voice our feelings and opinions with building management. They handled it very poorly. I will consider it to be a constructive criticism session.

The good 'ol Gutter intervention.
Are you going to speak, or just stand in the back and make faces while someone actually does speak up?

Just got back. I spoke more than anyone else. Unfortunately there was one woman who lost her shit on them. Overall, it seemed to be somewhat productive. Hopefully I won't have to know how they handle another fire. Also, I put in a call to the Regional Manager (Christina) because it's partially on her too for not having management properly prepared.
I was told by security that one of the mangers (Taylor) "clocked out" and went home in the middle of everything. WTF?
I typically overreact and get overly agitated but I feel I handled this fairly well - for me. I was calm, respectful, and made some good points. Supposedly management is going to have an all employee meeting to discuss what did and didn't happen and how they can and will be better prepared should it happen again.

[defixione]

*digression*

Heading to KC to install our group show which opens tomorrow, 5-8:00 pm, at the Leedy-Volkous gallery, 2012 Baltimore. Come down and see if you can pick me out (also, enjoy the show).

*Back to notguttergutter*

[Overlander]

Honestly, I appreciate your interaction. Your being "difficult" or not.
Yes, one night was ok and this morning I and several other residents are going to respectfully voice our feelings and opinions with building management. They handled it very poorly. I will consider it to be a constructive criticism session.

The good 'ol Gutter intervention.
Are you going to speak, or just stand in the back and make faces while someone actually does speak up?

Just got back. I spoke more than anyone else. Unfortunately there was one woman who lost her shit on them. Overall, it seemed to be somewhat productive. Hopefully I won't have to know how they handle another fire. Also, I put in a call to the Regional Manager (Christina) because it's partially on her too for not having management properly prepared.
I was told by security that one of the mangers (Taylor) "clocked out" and went home in the middle of everything. WTF?
I typically overreact and get overly agitated but I feel I handled this fairly well - for me. I was calm, respectful, and made some good points. Supposedly management is going to have an all employee meeting to discuss what did and didn't happen and how they can and will be better prepared should it happen again.

In what areas do you feel that they failed?

[ousdahl]

A museum says they gave an artist $84,000 in cash to use in artwork. He delivered blank canvases and titled them "Take the Money and Run."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jens-haani ... t-denmark/

[Deleted User 887]

The good 'ol Gutter intervention.
Are you going to speak, or just stand in the back and make faces while someone actually does speak up?

Just got back. I spoke more than anyone else. Unfortunately there was one woman who lost her shit on them. Overall, it seemed to be somewhat productive. Hopefully I won't have to know how they handle another fire. Also, I put in a call to the Regional Manager (Christina) because it's partially on her too for not having management properly prepared.
I was told by security that one of the mangers (Taylor) "clocked out" and went home in the middle of everything. WTF?
I typically overreact and get overly agitated but I feel I handled this fairly well - for me. I was calm, respectful, and made some good points. Supposedly management is going to have an all employee meeting to discuss what did and didn't happen and how they can and will be better prepared should it happen again.

In what areas do you feel that they failed?

"failed" is a strong word but you are definitely asking a reasonable and appropriate question.

If you truly care, off the top of my head.....

1. Communication. Zero communication with residents. In the past, when there have been issues (down elevators, people smoking, building maintenance, whatever) they send residents emails and text messages.
Residents didn't know if they should stay in their apartments, evacuate, where the fire was located, why the elevators were down (obvious but some residents really didn't know and needed to leave the building for work - doctors and nurses - and/or various other reasons) and how long the elevators were out of commission and then turned back on, etc.

2. Preparedness. I ran some errands today and when I got back I spoke with the security person who was on duty last night. As the security woman told me this morning, he also told me that he had never been trained/taught to how to deal with a fire in the building. You would think they would know to call 911 first but after that, they had no fricking idea what to do. They told me the phone at the lobby desk was ringing off the hook and they didn't know what to tell people.

3. Follow up. Why not tell the residents what exactly happened, how it was dealt with, what the plan is going forward if there is a next time?
EVERY resident who I have spoken with about the fire last night expressed that the building (management and/or rental agents) has never told them what they are supposed to do if there is a fire and/or other emergency/disaster.
Sure it's basically common sense and should probably be every man and woman for themself but it's NEVER been addressed in my 13 years of living here.
I'm involved in our company "emergency response team" and we have made sure EVERY employee is aware of what they should and shouldn't do. Many of us have been assigned responsibilities. I don't expect the building to be that "anal" with the residents but it's not a bad idea to have "evacuation" plans - and I have been led to believe that buildings in Chicago are supposed to have proper "evacuation" signage posted on each floor. True or not, ours does not and it certainly wouldn't hurt if it did.

[Overlander]

Just got back. I spoke more than anyone else. Unfortunately there was one woman who lost her shit on them. Overall, it seemed to be somewhat productive. Hopefully I won't have to know how they handle another fire. Also, I put in a call to the Regional Manager (Christina) because it's partially on her too for not having management properly prepared.
I was told by security that one of the mangers (Taylor) "clocked out" and went home in the middle of everything. WTF?
I typically overreact and get overly agitated but I feel I handled this fairly well - for me. I was calm, respectful, and made some good points. Supposedly management is going to have an all employee meeting to discuss what did and didn't happen and how they can and will be better prepared should it happen again.

In what areas do you feel that they failed?

"failed" is a strong word but you are definitely asking a reasonable and appropriate question.

If you truly care, off the top of my head.....

1. Communication. Zero communication with residents. In the past, when there have been issues (down elevators, people smoking, building maintenance, whatever) they send residents emails and text messages.
Residents didn't know if they should stay in their apartments, evacuate, where the fire was located, why the elevators were down (obvious but some residents really didn't know and needed to leave the building for work - doctors and nurses - and/or various other reasons) and how long the elevators were out of commission and then turned back on, etc.

2. Preparedness. I ran some errands today and when I got back I spoke with the security person who was on duty last night. As the security woman told me this morning, he also told me that he had never been trained/taught to how to deal with a fire in the building. You would think they would know to call 911 first but after that, they had no fricking idea what to do. They told me the phone at the lobby desk was ringing off the hook and they didn't know what to tell people.

3. Follow up. Why not tell the residents what exactly happened, how it was dealt with, what the plan is going forward if there is a next time?
EVERY resident who I have spoken with about the fire last night expressed that the building (management and/or rental agents) has never told them what they are supposed to do if there is a fire and/or other emergency/disaster.
Sure it's basically common sense and should probably be every man and woman for themself but it's NEVER been addressed in my 13 years of living here.
I'm involved in our company "emergency response team" and we have made sure EVERY employee is aware of what they should and shouldn't do. Many of us have been assigned responsibilities. I don't expect the building to be that "anal" with the residents but it's not a bad idea to have "evacuation" plans - and I have been led to believe that buildings in Chicago are supposed to have proper "evacuation" signage posted on each floor. True or not, ours does not and it certainly wouldn't hurt if it did.

All good points. And Yes, they should, at minimum, make sure that their personnel have SOP regarding fire/tornado, etc)