COVID-19 - On the Ground

[zsn]

PhD: I’d argue that one of the biggest components to our getting a handle on HIV infections was “behavioral changes” in addition to the medical advances. People incorporated safer sexual practices, not sharing needles, testing of blood used for transfusion, etc.

There’s a considerable similarity to the current pandemic in that altering behavior (masking, washing hands, distancing/isolation) will be a huge component in addition to the vaccines.

[randylahey]

Yes but if vaccines exist, even tho there are infinite variables at play, if any progress is made, phd will assume only the vaccines had anything to do with it

[Deleted User 863]

Despite having no medical background and despite us having no clue how this vaccine could affect development or growth in young children long term

Thankfully this type of vaccine doesn't have components that can really cause any long term negative effects. So i am not too worried about anything negative long term happening to myself or my kids from it. The actual vaccine itself is naturally flushed out of your body in less than a week from what I have read.

[Deleted User 887]

The point is nothing about covid justifies totalitarian medical mandates on people that don't want them. I don't think anything could happen ever that would justify a government coercing/mandating medical treatments on a whole population. it is just flat out wrong. that is the kind of shit the nazis were doing to the jews back in the day

Fuck you. Just fuck you you evil piece of shit. To compare efforts to save lives, even if they are overreaching, to the systematic torture and killing of people because of their religion... You're evil. Fuck you.

Triggered Karen alert. Its not just about saving lives. Its about using it to monitor and control every action of every citizen. Thats why they don't just vaccinate you and be done with it. They expect you to carry vaccination cards. Thats why they want access to your bank accounts and transactions. I am not religious. But there are a ton of parallels to "the mark of the beast"

I know man, it's CRAZY! Right?
I took a driving test when I was 16 and was given a driver's license. THE NERVE OF OUR GOVERNMENT to "monitor" that I passed a driving test to prove I am an eligible driver and to make me actually carry a driver's license to prove I am an eligible driver!
Now they "expect" me to carry a vaccine card with me to prove I'm vaccinated too?
You're right! They are fucking Nazis!
Shit, aren't the Pubs the ones who are rightfully demanding people show proof of citizenship when they vote? So in that case, it's good that our government are Nazis. Right?
As far as their wanting "access to your bank accounts and transactions", if you have nothing to hide and are doing nothing illegal, then while you may feel it's morally wrong, is it really that big of a deal?
Speaking of negative "parallels" and going to extremes, have you ever complained that KU and Bill Self have been like slave masters?

[TDub]

no. they should absolutely, 100 per fucking cent, NOT have access to our bank accounts. but that's for a different thread.

[TDub]

I also think proving you possess a skill is different than what medical decision you make

proving you're a citizen before you vote in a country isn't invasive into your personal decisions

none of those are parallel or comparable arguments

[Deleted User 887]

no. they should absolutely, 100 per fucking cent, NOT have access to our bank accounts. but that's for a different thread.

I'm torn.
On one hand, we have the Right to Financial Privacy Act.
On the other hand, if someone is doing something illegal, I feel the government should not allow it and should be allowed to monitor someone's illegal actives.

[TDub]

no. they should absolutely, 100 per fucking cent, NOT have access to our bank accounts. but that's for a different thread.

I'm torn.
On one hand, we have the Right to Financial Privacy Act.
On the other hand, if someone is doing something illegal, I feel the government should not allow it and should be allowed to monitor someone's illegal actives.

obviously just my opinion....but I'm a huge fuck no on that

[TDub]

I'm pretty strong on my "get and keep the government the fuck out of peoples personal business" stance

[shindig]

My buddy Blake has COVID and he got both Pfizer shots. Feels pretty miserable with throbbing headaches and feverish. He’s been in bed for 3 straight days. Crazy. His wife has quarantined him to the basement and they FaceTime while in the house…lol. The shit is still bad, my company has pushed back RTW until sometime next year.

[twocoach]

The point is nothing about covid justifies totalitarian medical mandates on people that don't want them. I don't think anything could happen ever that would justify a government coercing/mandating medical treatments on a whole population. it is just flat out wrong. that is the kind of shit the nazis were doing to the jews back in the day

Using scary words like "totalitarianism" and "Nazi" doesn't make this any less absurd.

[twocoach]

https://www.science.org/content/article ... ains-vital

heres a source for you. A large scale study done is israel. Showing that people who had already been infected with covid are much more resistant and less likely to get covid than people who have been vaccinated. Like I've been saying all along, the natural human immune system is a very powerful thing. Millions of americans have already had covid, the ones that beat covid (98/99% of people that had covid) do not need vaccines because the immune system develops a stronger defense than a vaccine can provide

That study shows the benefit of being vaccinated. It's not a reason to not be vaccinated.

From the article:

The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,” says Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington, Seattle. COVID-19 has already killed more than 4 million people worldwide and there are concerns that Delta and other SARS-CoV-2 variants are deadlier than the original virus.

And

They show, Nussenzweig says, that the immune systems of people who develop natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 and then get vaccinated produce exceptionally broad and potent antibodies against the coronavirus. The preprint, for example, reported that people who were previously infected and then vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine had antibodies in their blood that neutralized the infectivity of another virus, harmless to humans, that was engineered to express a version of the coronavirus spike protein that contains 20 concerning mutations.

So. The study would lead to the conclusion that people who haven't been infected should get vaccinated because if they do get sick it will be less severe and less lethal. If you've already been infected, a vaccine makes you MORE immune.

The only thing that study might suggest is that someone who was infected might only need one vaccination rather than two shots.

The thing is millions of people were infected before vaccines were available. And even after too. If you already had covid there is no benefit to getting vaccinated. Your natural immunity is far stronger than the vaccine

You have been shown multiple times that it is factually inaccurate that your natural immunity after covid infection after covid is far stronger than the vaccine. That is simply not true but you continue to live in an alternate reality just to support your ignorant stance.

[Deleted User 887]

My buddy Blake has COVID and he got both Pfizer shots. Feels pretty miserable with throbbing headaches and feverish. He’s been in bed for 3 straight days. Crazy. His wife has quarantined him to the basement and they FaceTime while in the house…lol. The shit is still bad, my company has pushed back RTW until sometime next year.

Sorry to read about your buddy.
I feel no company should have a "mandatory" RTW unless it's absolutely necessary.
Our current policy is "the office is open" but no one is "required" to go in to the office at any given time - these days.

[randylahey]

I'm pretty strong on my "get and keep the government the fuck out of peoples personal business" stance

Most of us are. Dont vote democrat. Biden has already talked about it

[randylahey]

Freedom isn't likely to be lost at all once or for them to be open about it. Its going to slowly erode away, bit by bit, and we've been seeing that for awhile. It'll happen under the disguise of "for your safety," false broken promises and noble ideals. Open your eyes. They are being more open and more aggressive about it these days

[shindig]

My buddy Blake has COVID and he got both Pfizer shots. Feels pretty miserable with throbbing headaches and feverish. He’s been in bed for 3 straight days. Crazy. His wife has quarantined him to the basement and they FaceTime while in the house…lol. The shit is still bad, my company has pushed back RTW until sometime next year.

Sorry to read about your buddy.
I feel no company should have a "mandatory" RTW unless it's absolutely necessary.
Our current policy is "the office is open" but no one is "required" to go in to the office at any given time - these days.

Thanks Gutter, I just talked to him and he’s feeling better, but still not great. My company’s policy is the same, office is open if you choose to work in the office, but not required anytime soon.

[jfish26]

My buddy Blake has COVID and he got both Pfizer shots. Feels pretty miserable with throbbing headaches and feverish. He’s been in bed for 3 straight days. Crazy. His wife has quarantined him to the basement and they FaceTime while in the house…lol. The shit is still bad, my company has pushed back RTW until sometime next year.

Sorry to read about your buddy.
I feel no company should have a "mandatory" RTW unless it's absolutely necessary.
Our current policy is "the office is open" but no one is "required" to go in to the office at any given time - these days.

Thanks Gutter, I just talked to him and he’s feeling better, but still not great. My company’s policy is the same, office is open if you choose to work in the office, but not required anytime soon.

My firm has a rigid vax requirement for coming into the office. For anyone - lawyers, clients, whoever.

[zsn]

In my line of work some people are required to come in to the office due to the lab work involved - synthesis of compounds, testing, protein isolation and related work. However the company position has evolved in the 15 months or so since the first lockdown for non-lab personnel. While I have people reporting up to me involved in lab work I am personally not required to go in. In fact they reclassified me as a remote worker, booted me out and put two desks in my office as “hoteling” spaces.

It’s a major evolution in company thinking because when I was interviewing, during the early days of the pandemic, they were very insistent that I was expected to be in the office most of the week (WFH maybe one day per week). Our company is 99% vaccinated (FWIW we’re just a few blocks from the Chase Center in SF, where there is a notable vaccine holdout!)

[shindig]

Sorry to read about your buddy.
I feel no company should have a "mandatory" RTW unless it's absolutely necessary.
Our current policy is "the office is open" but no one is "required" to go in to the office at any given time - these days.

Thanks Gutter, I just talked to him and he’s feeling better, but still not great. My company’s policy is the same, office is open if you choose to work in the office, but not required anytime soon.

My firm has a rigid vax requirement for coming into the office. For anyone - lawyers, clients, whoever.

I think it's going to move this way. We had a department event at our suite at Kauffman and in the email, it stated that only those that are vaccinated are able to participate. One guy, I don't know, replied back to all, including Executives, "THIS IS DISCRIMINATION", in all caps. I didn't go because I already had plans that Friday, but thought it was an "awkward" email for the dummy to reply all.

[Overlander]

Thanks Gutter, I just talked to him and he’s feeling better, but still not great. My company’s policy is the same, office is open if you choose to work in the office, but not required anytime soon.

My firm has a rigid vax requirement for coming into the office. For anyone - lawyers, clients, whoever.

I think it's going to move this way. We had a department event at our suite at Kauffman and in the email, it stated that only those that are vaccinated are able to participate. One guy, I don't know, replied back to all, including Executives, "THIS IS DISCRIMINATION", in all caps. I didn't go because I already had plans that Friday, but thought it was an "awkward" email for the dummy to reply all.

Career Suicide?