NFL 2021

[pdub]

"LOL."

10 years from now.
Not now obviously.

[jfish26]

Sometimes, you just need a safe space to say racist shit.

Hey, what's your company email address, by the way?

Serious Person: "How exactly should we sort through how a person's past misdeeds and indiscretions affects their life and livelihood, if not discovered until several years later?"

Nonserious Person: "Well, if the person thought they were doing the bad things in private, and that person can get people to say they like the person now, not much tbh."

I am not that nonserious person.
I don't think firing them is the first route you go. Nor punching them in the face.
And it's not just anyone getting people to say they like the person now - it's his direct coworkers.

They're not coworkers, they're subordinates whose jobs depend on being in the guy's good graces!

[pdub]

Coworkers and employees.
I agree that being a boss, it is extremely important to have the confidence of your employees.

[twocoach]

Did Bruce Allen turn in Gruden's emails into the police?
Was Gruden threatening someone's life?

Was he arrested?
Is he facing jail time?

Questions as irrelevant as yours.

"Send an email/text to a victim saying you're going to beat the shit out of them and then bitch about the victim (who now also has ownership rights) giving it to the police, lol."

"If he used his personal email account to send kiddie porn, would it make it OK because he assumed his email was "private"?"

Since you seem so concerned about the expectation of privacy, there was a need to ramp up the examples of the content to show that the expectation of privacy is stupid no matter the content.

[jfish26]

Jon Gruden’s Awful Emails Trumped All That Job Security

https://defector.com/jon-grudens-awful- ... -security/

What Gruden thought and what Gruden wrote was all bad enough. But what really sealed his professional fate predated the arrogance that comes from being granted unlimited use of a football franchise. Gruden’s real undoing was that he took clumsy late-middle-aged-language swings at people who could brush Davis aside if need be—people like commissioner Roger Goodell for starters. Goodell might not have the power of an actual influence broker in the league—that’s for anyone between the rank of Jerry Jones and Clark Hunt—but he is close enough to all the owners that no mere employee could so freely speak so offensively as Gruden without repercussions. There would be no Chucky-face impishness to save him this time; he’d blown up all the bridges that could allow him to escape. Even if he didn’t deserve this comeuppance for being a curdled little ball of hate, he surely deserved it for being a curdled little ball of hate who didn’t understand his actual place in the universe in which he lived and worked.

Whatever you might think of his apologies, Gruden’s surprise at all of this becoming public at least has the ring of truth. He could not have known that Allen’s command of internet etiquette was so slipshod that work emails might someday become billboards; he would not have known that Washington’s Football Team would later be investigated by the league for its serially shitty treatment of its female employees. But coaches—and ex-coaches, which is what Gruden was when he put all this idiocy in writing—are supposed to be good at keeping their thoughts to themselves. They are good at this because, well, you never know when some billionaire is going to want to slice off a piece for you.

Gruden’s opinions are odious, but they are not unique; the reason he’s unemployed and other coaches with similar opinions are not is that he exposed his flank for nothing more valuable than the fun of power-painting his recidivist bile to his buddy with no tactical benefit as the reward. He talked out of school in a school that was about to be condemned for asbestos insulation, and he embarrassed people he didn’t even know he needed to worry about embarrassing. Those people do not appreciate that sort of thing.

Again, do not misunderstand that this is simply the act of a man who didn’t understand his place in the football hierarchy. Gruden didn’t understand his place in the family of humanity. He behaved like the guy in the bar who you might have once plied with a drink to get him to shut up, but the more he talked the more you just wanted the manager to 86 him entirely. Whatever he believed, Gruden’s desire to share every rancid bit of it is what did him in. His professional cohort is every bit a group of kindred spirits, but they are more adept at keeping their demons chained and out of sight. They’ll go to work this morning, and he will not.

The brash and useless ugliness of it all does seem distinctly Gruden. The man just had to be Jon Gruden even in a situation in which being Gruden was unnecessary. Gruden made his NFL reputation defying authority—as embodied by Al Davis—until Davis in his enfeebled state tired of his insubordination, no matter how well-aimed, and traded him to the team that beat his own in the Raiders’ last Super Bowl. The resulting professional turnabout did a lot for Gruden’s brand, but it was nothing the man couldn’t undo himself through the sheer force of his dedication to his own self-absorbed bullshit. When Gruden popped off to Allen, his job was to whisper showbiz wisdom to young quarterbacks and enunciate on television. He was famous, and as such comfortable tossing a middle finger at the powerful people who take greater care to mind the optics of decency that Gruden evidently thought did not apply to him—or, at the very least, thought he was insulated against when he shared them with someone who was criminally lousy at covering his tracks.

Maybe DeMaurice Smith will forgive his racism. Maybe Carl Nassib and Michael Sam will forgive his homophobia. Maybe Sheila Ford Hamp and Virginia McCaskey and Amy Adams Strunk and Jody Allen and Kim Pegula and Dee Haslam and Gayle Benson and Sarah Thomas and Maia Chaka, the last of them the first two female NFL officials, will forgive his misogyny. Almost certainly some off-brand network executive will eventually decide that a second chance should come in the form of a contract. Forgiveness has its own personal nobility; if any or all of the offended can muster it, it will be between them, their level of human decency, and the ethereal supervisors to whom they pray.

But in this plane of existence, Jon Gruden has reduced himself to nothing, and deservedly so. He forgot not who he was but who he worked for, and just how many bosses he actually had. In the National Football League, no matter whose name is on the check, you work for the ENTIRE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE; there are people you never see and don’t think are part of your universe, but who have the power to hold you to standards that exceed a 117-112 record, a squinty smile that attempts but usually fails to achieve charm, some pre-awareness in the target demo that executives cheerfully banked on, and a championship won a million years ago. In mob terms, Jon Gruden is an earner who just lost the power to earn, and so became not just expendable but needed dismissal. He forgot that, for all he has won and earned, he still actually owned nothing in this league. And so, in the end, he got owned by those who do.

[twocoach]

Again, I agree it is dumb, because I understand what it currently is.
I also agree that the emails were ugly.

But I think there ought to be protections against emails being made public - most certainly if it is from a personal account.

I teach my children that you have zero control of anything you send out digitally. Zero. If you do not want something made public, then do not send it out digitally. Period. You have zero control of it once it goes out and any right to privacy is irrelevant after the fact. It's as naive as expecting your significant other to keep a nude selfie you send them "private" just because they said they would.

^^^^^

how many people need to be made examples of before this train of thought becomes second nature?

seriously, i’ve been if this opinion for damn near 20 years

I have been spending the last 15 years just trying to teach my mother in law how to print an email so my guess is that some people will never learn.

I do not see it happening until at the earliest when the oldest people alive in our society have used digital communication tools for their entire lives.

[twocoach]

Anyone get the feeling that the Raiders might poach Eric Bienemy from the Chiefs in the offseason?

[Deleted User 863]

Does anyone know how the emails leaked?

[CrimsonNBlue]

Does anyone know how the emails leaked?

NFL to the press.

[Deleted User 863]

Anyone get the feeling that the Raiders might poach Eric Bienemy from the Chiefs in the offseason?

Have to figure he's going to be poached by someone and some point. Unless he knows Reid is retiring soon and the Chiefs have told him he's up next.

[twocoach]

Anyone get the feeling that the Raiders might poach Eric Bienemy from the Chiefs in the offseason?

Have to figure he's going to be poached by someone and some point. Unless he knows Reid is retiring soon and the Chiefs have told him he's up next.

Agreed. The Raiders have good offensive weapons in place for the most part. Way better than going to Jacksonville or the Jets or some other organization that is doomed to a history of Top 5 draft picks.

[NewtonHawk11]

Does anyone know how the emails leaked?

NFL to the press.

NFL basically said we don't want to punish him, the Raiders should.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Does anyone know how the emails leaked?

NFL to the press.

NFL basically said we don't want to punish him, the Raiders should.

Yes, started with the first email, and would have kept leaking until something was done.


Also, maybe it is a "one crisis at a time" situation or controlling some type of unknown narrative, but I have to assume, now, that the Dan Snyder stuff is going to be ugly when/if released.

[NewtonHawk11]

NFL to the press.

NFL basically said we don't want to punish him, the Raiders should.

Yes, started with the first email, and would have kept leaking until something was done.


Also, maybe it is a "one crisis at a time" situation or controlling some type of unknown narrative, but I have to assume, now, that the Dan Snyder stuff is going to be ugly when/if released.

If the tip of the iceberg is Gruden and Allen, then Snyder is going to be 100 times worse.

[jfish26]

NFL to the press.

NFL basically said we don't want to punish him, the Raiders should.

Yes, started with the first email, and would have kept leaking until something was done.


Also, maybe it is a "one crisis at a time" situation or controlling some type of unknown narrative, but I have to assume, now, that the Dan Snyder stuff is going to be ugly when/if released.

The rush-to-resignation would also suggest the worst (on Gruden) may yet be to come.

[CrimsonNBlue]

NFL basically said we don't want to punish him, the Raiders should.

Yes, started with the first email, and would have kept leaking until something was done.


Also, maybe it is a "one crisis at a time" situation or controlling some type of unknown narrative, but I have to assume, now, that the Dan Snyder stuff is going to be ugly when/if released.

The rush-to-resignation would also suggest the worst (on Gruden) may yet be to come.

Especially when he already tried once to get out in front of it ("I said some bad things about Goodell, too.").

[NewtonHawk11]

Brandon Staley gets it. “It’s a sacred mantle for someone to call you coach or a leader”

[pdub]

Chargers at Balty.
Good news, someone ( very likely ) has got to loose.
Bad news, someone has got to win.

I'm pulling for Balty - I just don't think we land the one seed at this point - so might as well have a better chance at the AFC West.

[twocoach]

Chargers at Balty.
Good news, someone ( very likely ) has got to loose.
Bad news, someone has got to win.

I'm pulling for Balty - I just don't think we land the one seed at this point - so might as well have a better chance at the AFC West.

Agreed. I am cheering for a Baltimore win with a ton of points by both teams, preferably to all of my fantasy football targets.

[pdub]

Tyreek not practicing.
If he doesn't play, you neutralize Kelce.
Things looking dicey.