Strikes

[TDub]

well said, and agreed that the Walmart example is a good example of where to start addressing irregularities


problem is the loopholes, in part, are created to promote small operations and allow them to exist and compete. Unfortunately it allows the behemoths to take advantage and exploit these loopholes with their army of legal eagles

[PhDhawk]

well said, and agreed that the Walmart example is a good example of where to start addressing irregularities


problem is the loopholes, in part, are created to promote small operations and allow them to exist and compete. Unfortunately it allows the behemoths to take advantage and exploit these loopholes with their army of legal eagles

Yes, the best laid plans of mice and men.

[ousdahl]

Well, what are the good aspects of capitalism?

That is, what are the good aspects of an economic system in which industry ownership is controlled by private individuals for profit?

Trying to use the textbook definition here.

Versus the definition of - eeeek! - socialism, in which industry ownership is controlled more by workers and communities? Would that really disincentivize innovation?

Put another way, capitalism is to economics what dictatorships are to gummint. Socialism is more so economic democracy. I think what we’d see, is businesses and entire economies geared more toward community welfare, rather than individual profits. Also not sure how that would loose any incentive to innovate.

It comes down to the whole human nature thing again. Power corrupts. Power shouldn’t be so concentrated. Maybe give all stakeholders a say - workers and communities as a whole, rather than just individual capitalist shareholders.

Maybe that could effectively dilute that power, and negate the need to debate whether a company enjoying record profits and handing out fat dividends and raises to execs but dicking around workers about another dollar an hour, and we could just bury the entire strikes thread deep in the annals of the internet with .com and .net.

[ousdahl]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/the-wea ... tocks.html

The wealthiest 10% of American households now own 89% of all U.S. stocks, a record high that highlights the stock market's role in increasing wealth inequality.

The top 1% gained over $6.5 trillion in corporate equities and mutual fund wealth during the pandemic, according to the latest data from the Federal Reserve.

[ousdahl]

Been a lot of action lately!

John Deere, Kellogg, Starbucks, Amazon, healthcare, academics, bus drivers, all sorts of workers.

But Qusdahl doesn’t wanna bore you capitalist pigs with that shit today.

Instead, he/they wants to bring up this idea that comes up a lot in lefty circles:



Is there merit?

Perhaps there are “wage slaves” out there who are otherwise geniuses, who could be doing bigger and better things if not for the fact they’re so economically disadvantaged.

But Qusdahl gets pissed when I come back to the idea of the early jazz musicians who worked all day in meat packing plants or whatever, then played all night at the club that shindig and mich like to go dance at

[TDub]

you spend a lot of your time mad. But to very little effect.

[Deleted User 89]

so Qusdahl is like tucker, but without the gullible following?

[TDub]

perhaps

[PhDhawk]

Einstein is kind of the perfect example that you're wrong Qusdahl.

He couldn't get hired as a professor for two years after grad school, so he settled for a crappy job just to pay the bills. He worked 6 days a week as a patent clerk. In fact, he worked there for several years and was passed over for promotion. But all while working in a shitty, menial, low paying job he finished his dissertation, and did the thought experiments that he wrote into his 4 groundbreaking papers that made Einstein, Einstein.

He actually did much of his most important work when he was a "wage slave" and then got the benefits after the fact.

[ousdahl]

so what you’re saying is, Einstein was mostly just got lucky he didn’t get caught slacking off at work?

Just imagine if he got fired for dicking around working on dissertations instead of working on…well, work.

Then he’s broke, so he’s gotta bounce from one menial job to another just to survive, and next thing you know, Einstein isn’t a household name associated with genius, and was just another fry cook.

But bear in mind, I’m separating myself from Qusdahl here, cuz I think if a menial worker can still figure out a way to be a jazz legend then others can too.

Theodor Herzl, state of Israel: if you will it, dude, it is no dream.

[PhDhawk]

So, a hypothetical situation that didn't happen is what you're using to support your argument, in place of the real events that actually DID happen?

k

[TDub]

its also probable that he worked on his own dissertation after work and not at work....so there's that. I know that's hard to believe but....

[TDub]

I would also argue that we are all...at some point in our lifes...menial workers.

[Deleted User 89]

it’s also possible that he was just a highly functioning person, and could take care of his work responsibilities while also working on his side projects

[ousdahl]

The whole concept of “menial worker” is so classist

no work is menial

except maybe CEOs

[Cascadia]

It’s amazing how many of you miss the point.

[TDub]

You're so right. thank goodness you've returned to help us all through this with your infinite wisdom and insight.

[Cascadia]

You’re a hopeless cause

[Mjl]

Quiet moron, adults are talking. When you learn to talk like a big boy maybe you can join.

[Cascadia]

Still triggered, yeah!