21-22 lineup

[randylahey]

Yes, Bobby definitely looks better than Yes so far, but it's early. My worry though is that Yes is the kind of player who needs the ball a good deal to really make an impact.

In hindsight, I'm kicking myself for assuming Lands wouldn't play much. Maybe he won't as much after Jalen comes back? Not sure, but he's really the perfect floor spacer for Dave, Och, and Remy. Also appears to be a much better playmaker than I thought.

He had some good scoring games against us.

Always room for a shooter. I think he's more talented than Isaiah Moss, who I wasn't a huge fan of outside of the shooting.

JCL should get good minutes all year. backing up braun/och. having that experienced and good of a shooter off the bench is a huge luxury

[jfish26]

Yes, Bobby definitely looks better than Yes so far, but it's early. My worry though is that Yes is the kind of player who needs the ball a good deal to really make an impact.

In hindsight, I'm kicking myself for assuming Lands wouldn't play much. Maybe he won't as much after Jalen comes back? Not sure, but he's really the perfect floor spacer for Dave, Och, and Remy. Also appears to be a much better playmaker than I thought.

He had some good scoring games against us.

Always room for a shooter. I think he's more talented than Isaiah Moss, who I wasn't a huge fan of outside of the shooting.

JCL should get good minutes all year. backing up braun/och. having that experienced and good of a shooter off the bench is a huge luxury

He's Isaiah Moss. Which is fine!

[Mjl]

Looks more dynamic than Moss

[hasbeen]

He's definitely more dynamic than Moss. I recall Moss on occasion hitting a floater but it was not something he looked to do. JCL looks competent and like he wants to create for others. I don't know how much we actually want JCL with the ball in his hands for longer than a catch and shoot with Dave, Remy, and Och on the team, but the defense has to account for him which will help.

[AlOerter]

JCL looks longer than the 6’4” he’s listed at.

[twocoach]

JCL is a "must guard" from three and is experienced enough that he will not be shooting us in our own foot with dumb mistakes. He is a perfect role player on the team and can fill in for anyone non-big on the roster for spot minutes. Good size, decent speed, very polished and hustles as witnessed by his save of a bad pass followed by the hustle back into play to drain a three. That was one of the few signs of life from the crowd in a game that was otherwise hard for the crowd to bust out some noise.

[MICHHAWK]

and he is 25 years old. a cagey veteran.

[ousdahl]

[CrimsonNBlue]

So I gushed on Och. I thought Clemence was also great tonight, also sky high confidence.

Everyone else was vanilla tonight. Remy too, missed two practices this week with injury and seemed to be on minutes restriction. Could have beat that team by 50.

I also can't wait for Jalen after the all of the staff's comments. I think we see him playing the 5 and we just run the shit out of teams.

[ousdahl]

Teeny ball!

[CrimsonNBlue]

We had this same argument last year, but especially this year with an even faster/quicker team, I just don't see how a lineup with Mitch is a better lineup than one with Jalen. They're the same height and Jalen's the better rebounder and can start the fastbreak himself.

The 2nd half tonight should show how lethal this team can be in transition.

[twocoach]

Clemence has 17 points in 11 minutes this year.

[PhDhawk]

We had this same argument last year, but especially this year with an even faster/quicker team, I just don't see how a lineup with Mitch is a better lineup than one with Jalen. They're the same height and Jalen's the better rebounder and can start the fastbreak himself.

The 2nd half tonight should show how lethal this team can be in transition.

Agreed.

But I would say if we play a team like Texas or usc from last year I would like to see mcmack and clemence together.

[Mjl]

We had this same argument last year, but especially this year with an even faster/quicker team, I just don't see how a lineup with Mitch is a better lineup than one with Jalen. They're the same height and Jalen's the better rebounder and can start the fastbreak himself.

The 2nd half tonight should show how lethal this team can be in transition.

Agreed.

But I would say if we play a team like Texas or usc from last year I would like to see mcmack and clemence together.

Way too slow. Clemence can't play the 4 on D.

[hasbeen]

So, looking to his sophomore and junior season -- do we want him to work on quickness so he can play 4 or bulk up so he can be more effective inside?

[Mjl]

I don't think he'll ever be quick enough to guard a 4 in today's game.

I'd like to see him be able to jump so he can actually dunk and block shots. As of now he's basically Kevin Pittsnogle... But obviously with room to grow/improve.

[ousdahl]

I sense a fundamental shift in how Self wants to overwhelm opponents.

Trying to out-run teams now, rather than out-big.

It makes me wonder how much longer he’ll try to start games by forcing the post to Dave.

Why not just get guards moving it instead, especially since forcing it to Dave makes him prone to spazzing out.

[Deleted User 863]

I sense a fundamental shift in how Self wants to overwhelm opponents.

Trying to out-run teams now, rather than out-big.

It makes me wonder how much longer he’ll try to start games by forcing the post to Dave.

Why not just get guards moving it instead, especially since forcing it to Dave makes him prone to spazzing out.

Last night we repeatedly forced the ball inside to Dave (initially) and then Mitch multiple times after Dave got yanked. I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe Self has had a sudden change in philosophy. The only thing new i have seen so far (and i like it) is a few attempts at posting up Och.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Have to wait until Jalen plays. Staff is repeatedly telling the media how much they want to run when Jalen gets back

Stony Brook played really small most of the night.

[CrimsonNBlue]

So, looking to his sophomore and junior season -- do we want him to work on quickness so he can play 4 or bulk up so he can be more effective inside?

I want to see him get quicker. He’s going to get stronger just by being here and maturing. Bill’s never had a player like Clemence here.

I think an nba team will give him a shot as a role player.