Facebook, Google, et al

[Deleted User 863]

fb apparently still running and promoting anti-vax ads

They let people pay to run ads for just about anything that makes them money/gets clicks. They aren't responsible for determining what the truth is.

[Deleted User 89]

fb apparently still running and promoting anti-vax ads

They let people pay to run ads for just about anything that makes them money/gets clicks. They aren't responsible for determining what the truth is.

you should read their own words about this before trying to argue

[Deleted User 863]

fb apparently still running and promoting anti-vax ads

They let people pay to run ads for just about anything that makes them money/gets clicks. They aren't responsible for determining what the truth is.

you should read their own words about this before trying to argue

Were they telling the truth?

[Deleted User 89]

They let people pay to run ads for just about anything that makes them money/gets clicks. They aren't responsible for determining what the truth is.

you should read their own words about this before trying to argue

Were they telling the truth?

apparently not

per cnbc, Oct. 13, 2020 they said they had a new global policy to ban ads discouraging people from getting vaccinated

[ousdahl]

Is there any greater analysis of what does and doesn’t get “Zucked” on social media?

And how long it gets circulated vs how long it takes to be taken down

Much of the problem is the algorithm, which doesn’t understand context

The lefty Qusdahl pages get zucked all the time for things like, “here’s me painting over swastikas and hate speech vandalism I found in the bus station.”

The algorithm apparently identifies it as nothing more than “swastikas” and next thing you know, Qusdahl’s in the doghouse.

It sucks tho that shit like anti-vax rhetoric (and insurrection planning?) manages to stick around and continue being circulated despite, no, really, we like totally are cracking down on it this time!

[Deleted User 89]

another failing of fb

https://www.traffic.org/publications/re ... singapore/

[Deleted User 863]

you should read their own words about this before trying to argue

Were they telling the truth?

apparently not

per cnbc, Oct. 13, 2020 they said they had a new global policy to ban ads discouraging people from getting vaccinated

FB is the devil.

[KUTradition]

https://news.yahoo.com/digital-media-ex ... 46109.html

i’d argue it isn’t just negatively impacting kids, but rather most everyone

[pdub]

It's toxic.
But it's not going away.

[KUTradition]

It's toxic.
But it's not going away.

it went away for me

it was pretty easy, actually

[pdub]

Oh, for sure.
And same here.
But I don't think most are on bored with that.

[ousdahl]

Yeah, social media has established itself pretty firmly, whether certain individuals opt out or not.

Facebook/meta specifically has been on the hot seat for a while tho. It wouldn’t be surprising to see some increased oversight, prob independent, since FB has demonstrated itself to be so ineffective at watching over itself.

In a sane world, fb woulda been dismantled on antitrust grounds by now. If not criminal grounds

And I might even say their shareholders might ramp up pressure to get its act together - or rather, shareholder pressure to get its act together might reach some critical mass.

but as long as Zuck has majority say, and as long as shareholders overwhelmingly only care about their own monetary returns, I dunno if that’ll ever happen.

[TDub]

criminal grounds?

[pdub]

Hes not way way off.
There are/were laws about monopolies.
Too big to be stopped.

It's tough with the business of social media.

[ousdahl]

I also wonder if they could be on the hook for shit like J6. Or if the threat of being on the hook for shit like J6 would make them take their own moderation more seriously.

Or if that would even be a good idea. There’s gotta be downsides, right? I’d mention privacy concerns but that’s already happening.

Yea social media is tough.

I think they hide behind “but we can’t be responsible for content individual users post,” but I wonder if you can argue once their algorithm decides to give it the viral treatment, they’re responsible.

I wonder if much of social media’s issues could be fixed with a simple organic news feed again. Only pages and people you wanna follow, like, share, instead of your feed being force fed to you by Zuck and his goons.

[Deleted User 863]

Facebook on the hook for Jan 6th? How/why?

[pdub]

"I think they hide behind “but we can’t be responsible for content individual users post,” but I wonder if you can argue once their algorithm decides to give it the viral treatment, they’re responsible."

While I find this pretty gross ( why I left almost ten years ago ) I dont think it should be illegal or regulated.

Their methods of squashing of any competition is what I take some issues with.

[ousdahl]

Facebook on the hook for Jan 6th? How/why?

Yeah I dunno. What do you think illy?

I’d imagine something along the lines of, if a property owner put a billboard up, and allowed someone else to write something on it, and someone else wrote “let’s go bum rush the Capitol building on 1/6 here’s the details see you there,” then a buncha people bum rushed the Capitol and many of them said the billboard gave them the idea, wouldn’t the excuse seem kinda hollow for the property owner to just sit back and say “but it wasn’t *me* who wrote it on that billboard”

Then consider how the algorithm works. Facebooks basically sits back and says “but it wasn’t us who wrote it on the billboard, then wrote a code that put it up on other billboards all around the world!”

But yeah I dunno. It’s tricky. Cuz I could also see moderation/censorship becoming a mess in a hurry. But the thing is, there’s already a ton of moderation and censorship going on!

it just seems to nitpick the qusdahls for things like “I painted over swastika graffiti” (and Facebook is like BuT YoU PoStEd A SwAsTiKa!!) and completely missing the lobsters who may or may not have planned this attack right there in the open on Facebook. (BuT We CaNt MoDeRaTe OuR UsErs!!)

but yeah. All that aside, the antitrust monopoly stuff seems far more obvious, and easier to make a case against, with fewer of the icky implications that could come with censorship

[Deleted User 863]

LOL @ the idea that Facebook is against the lefties.


You should continue to study up on the algorithms they use and how they work. Your understanding of them seems somewhat lacking.

[ousdahl]

I think there’s a lot of thoughts to consider without making it a partisan thing.