21-22 lineup

[jfish26]

Let's just call a spade a spade, a portion of our fan base are hyper critical of our players who are white kids from Kansas (CB is better than sleeves and reed, but they got hated on too). Perry Ellis isn't white, but he experienced some of that treatment (false narratives, selective stat analysis, etc) as well being a native Kansan.

The exact opposite is what’s actually true. Too many emotional fans who want to cheer for the underdog, the hometown kid, the little engine that could, etc. and lose their shot when they are fairly criticized

There is a meaningful slice of fans who look at Kansas kids and, squinting, tell themselves they were that close themselves.

[Cascadia]

@illy - You clearly don’t get the point. What’s there to discuss?

[Cascadia]

Let's just call a spade a spade, a portion of our fan base are hyper critical of our players who are white kids from Kansas (CB is better than sleeves and reed, but they got hated on too). Perry Ellis isn't white, but he experienced some of that treatment (false narratives, selective stat analysis, etc) as well being a native Kansan.

The exact opposite is what’s actually true. Too many emotional fans who want to cheer for the underdog, the hometown kid, the little engine that could, etc. and lose their shot when they are fairly criticized

There is a meaningful slice of fans who look at Kansas kids and, squinting, tell themselves they were that close themselves.

Exactly

[Deleted User 863]

@illy - You clearly don’t get the point. What’s there to discuss?

Your point was Braun had a bad 3 game/7 day stretch last year.

My guess: it won't happen this year.


You'd have been better off not picking up the baton ousdahl dropped.

[Mjl]

Ous does have a plate of crow to eat on Braun, but I think he was more just frustrated in off-season that he knew Braun would start and play over Yesefu.

mjl was probably the only guy convinced the team would be better with Yesefu than Braun, but with the bias, it makes it a little more excusable.

^^

[pdub]

Braun might also be our best passer to the post.

[ousdahl]

Know what? I’ll gladly eat that crow.

Except it’s actually spelled crauw.

Now some of you guys need to stop obsessing over me, please and thanks.

[Cascadia]

@illy - You clearly don’t get the point. What’s there to discuss?

Your point was Braun had a bad 3 game/7 day stretch last year.

My guess: it won't happen this year.


You'd have been better off not picking up the baton ousdahl dropped.

That was not the point.

No one is surprised that you missed it

[Cascadia]

Know what? I’ll gladly eat that crow.

Except it’s actually spelled crauw.

Now some of you guys need to stop obsessing over me, please and thanks.

What did you do to illy, man? He’s approaching MICH level dumb.

[Deleted User 863]

@illy - You clearly don’t get the point. What’s there to discuss?

Your point was Braun had a bad 3 game/7 day stretch last year.

My guess: it won't happen this year.


You'd have been better off not picking up the baton ousdahl dropped.

That was not the point.

No one is surprised that you missed it

What was your point then? Because other than shit talking that's the only thing of substance you've presented...

[Deleted User 863]

Know what? I’ll gladly eat that crow.

Except it’s actually spelled crauw.

Now some of you guys need to stop obsessing over me, please and thanks.

What did you do to illy, man? He’s approaching MICH level dumb.

Pay attention.

He downplayed CB and created false narratives (about how limited CB is and how not limited other unproven players are) for weeks.


It's not malicious. Nobody has problems calling out me when i make dumb conclusions about our team. Ous can take it.

[ousdahl]

And I think I compared/contrasted CB and Joe’s performances against USC last year but didn’t directly say one should take the other’s minutes. They play different positions.

The hope that Joe (or Bobby) turns a corner is more with regard to Juan being a black hole on offense. Don’t think we can afford to play 5 on 4 again, and do think that’ll bite us at some point.

Or heck, maybe Dajuan will turn a corner and at least become worth more than someone the defense can get away with not guarding.

And yeah, I’m glad this team looks good so far, but I’m also wondering how we look against actual good teams. Cuz I mean we looked vulnerable pretty quick against a 2-3 Dayton team.

[Deleted User 863]

And I think I compared/contrasted CB and Joe’s performances against USC last year but didn’t directly say one should take the other’s minutes. They play different positions.

The hope that Joe (or Bobby) turns a corner is more with regard to Juan being a black hole on offense. Don’t think we can afford to play 5 on 4 again, and do think that’ll bite us at some point.

Or heck, maybe Dajuan will turn a corner and at least become worth more than someone the defense can get away with not guarding.

And yeah, I’m glad this team looks good so far, but I’m also wondering how we look against actual good teams. Cuz I mean we looked vulnerable pretty quick against a 2-3 Dayton team.

Eventually JW is going to be taking some of those Harris minutes. That is far more likely than Joe or Bobby taking Harris minutes imo.

[Deleted User 863]

At the end of games our best lineup should eventually be Remy Och CB JW and Dave.

[ousdahl]

Yeah, I agree.

I suppose that much was obvious. 4 returning starters, plus the best and most experienced transfer.

2 small guard lineups notwithstanding.

[ousdahl]

I also wouldn’t be surprised if Self does Self things and goes all ride or die with Dajuan’s 2ppg while Joe and Bobby (and Kyle) sit wondering if it’s too soon to enter the transfer portal.

[Deleted User 863]

Yeah, I agree.

I suppose that much was obvious. 4 returning starters, plus the best and most experienced transfer.

2 small guard lineups notwithstanding.

Och and CB have both improved their ballhandling enough that the need for 2 of Remy Harris Bobby Joe is not necessary. Especially with JW out there.

[Deleted User 863]

I also wouldn’t be surprised if Self does Self things and goes all ride or die with Dajuan’s 2ppg while Joe and Bobby (and Kyle) sit wondering if it’s too soon to enter the transfer portal.

I wouldn't be surprised. And i also wouldn't be surprised if that is actually what is best for this team.

You're looking at this solely offensively from an individual standpoint. Other than shooting/scoring Harris is probably better for this team than either of those 2 at every other meaningful aspect of basketball.

[ousdahl]

Yeah, Dajuan’s good at passing and defense.

If there’s something that might make it OK for Dajuan to play, it’s that even tho he can’t shoot, if he gets the ball he can at least get into space and move it in a hurry.

But still, Dajuan out there makes it that much easier for opponents to guard (or double) everybody else.

And just generally, elite teams tend to not have things like 2ppg starters

[Deleted User 863]

Yeah, Dajuan’s good at passing and defense.

If there’s something that might make it OK for Dajuan to play, it’s that even tho he can’t shoot, if he gets the ball he can at least get into space and move it in a hurry.

But still, Dajuan out there makes it that much easier for opponents to guard (or double) everybody else.

And just generally, elite teams tend to not have things like 2ppg starters

Like i have said, he won't be a starter for much longer. JW will be the starter. Harris is starting by default right now because JW was suspended and is now struggling. He will snap out of it.

Harris will probably play 20-25mpg and will not be a part of the closing unit in close games.