COVID-19 - On the Ground

[ousdahl]

Miso doubtful.

[ousdahl]

Anti-vax advice from 85!

https://www.quora.com/How-can-I-get-the ... -my-system

[jhawks99]

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/wak ... -is-a-hoax

[pdub]

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/wak ... -is-a-hoax

Superb.

[Mjl]

Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

The argument would be that the staffing shortage is being caused by the Government pumping a shit load of money into the economy and expanded unemployment benefits. As in, you're not allowing the free market to work, and then claiming that as proof that the free market doesn't work.

[ProudBoy]

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/wak ... -is-a-hoax

Superb.

^^^

[ousdahl]

Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

The argument would be that the staffing shortage is being caused by the Government pumping a shit load of money into the economy and expanded unemployment benefits. As in, you're not allowing the free market to work, and then claiming that as proof that the free market doesn't work.

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

[jfish26]

Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

The argument would be that the staffing shortage is being caused by the Government pumping a shit load of money into the economy and expanded unemployment benefits. As in, you're not allowing the free market to work, and then claiming that as proof that the free market doesn't work.

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

It's just like the voter fraud QOP nonsense.

Can you find examples of people who choose not to work because of the government bennies? Sure you can.

Are the government bennies the widespread cause of labor shortages? They are not.

[PhDhawk]

The argument would be that the staffing shortage is being caused by the Government pumping a shit load of money into the economy and expanded unemployment benefits. As in, you're not allowing the free market to work, and then claiming that as proof that the free market doesn't work.

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

It's just like the voter fraud QOP nonsense.

Can you find examples of people who choose not to work because of the government bennies? Sure you can.

Are the government bennies the widespread cause of labor shortages? They are not.

They only need an n of 1.

[CrimsonNBlue]

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

It's just like the voter fraud QOP nonsense.

Can you find examples of people who choose not to work because of the government bennies? Sure you can.

Are the government bennies the widespread cause of labor shortages? They are not.

They only need an n of 1.

1, .1, 0, -1, what's the difference? You're a sheep regardless.

[ousdahl]

Just a couple decimal places away from potd

[ousdahl]

Almost half a million new cases yesterday. Another record!

Also. Stay safe during yall’s holiday ski vacation!

[jfish26]

I don't really know what to make of the revised CDC recommendations. It seems like they're acknowledging the tradeoffs from continuing longer term isolation, but I'd rather they didn't. I want them to provide the best recommendations based on the science and then let elected officials and people make decisions weighing the different tradeoffs.

What's also concerning to me is they don't appear to know how many of the cases today are Omicron vs Delta. It seemed encouraging when they thought Omicron accounted for like 78% of current cases because there's strong evidence it's a more mild version, but they revised downward big time and it appears Delta is still king.

I guess I laugh at the people playing gotcha games over the CDC for saying out loud that there's a degree of practicality to the guidance.

Of course there is!

What do we think the purpose of 0.08 is? Is it because you are 0% impaired at 0.079 but DRUNK AND DANGEROUS at 0.08? Give me a break.

This isn't about - and should never have been about - preventing each and every infection or even death or hospitalization. Again, big numbers break some folks' brains.

[japhy]

Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

The argument would be that the staffing shortage is being caused by the Government pumping a shit load of money into the economy and expanded unemployment benefits. As in, you're not allowing the free market to work, and then claiming that as proof that the free market doesn't work.

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-econo ... 9-pandemic

It looks like the Boomers have finally started retiring in higher numbers during covid as well. 2.4M of us retired earlier than planned. That opened up a lot of good jobs for younger people to move up, and then another layer under them.

Don't expect 65 year olds to come out of retirement to fill jobs flipping burgers.

[shindig]

Headache today and mostly just tired. Probably won’t get a Covid test unless it gets worse. Drinking a beer, all of a sudden I feel better.

[JKLivin]

Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

It's not a shortage of people who need jobs. It is a shortage of people who have a work ethic and take pride in doing a good job. It is pretty simple: Do your job well. Be where you are supposed to be when you are supposed to be there. If you don't like your current job, get a better one. Until then, do your job well. Not sure why that is so confusing.

[TDub]

The argument would be that the staffing shortage is being caused by the Government pumping a shit load of money into the economy and expanded unemployment benefits. As in, you're not allowing the free market to work, and then claiming that as proof that the free market doesn't work.

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-econo ... 9-pandemic

It looks like the Boomers have finally started retiring in higher numbers during covid as well. 2.4M of us retired earlier than planned. That opened up a lot of good jobs for younger people to move up, and then another layer under them.

Don't expect 65 year olds to come out of retirement to fill jobs flipping burgers.

yea, but when the entry level workers all think they should be jumping into CEO spots...

or that they're going to make millions on Instagram. ...

[hasbeen]

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-econo ... 9-pandemic

It looks like the Boomers have finally started retiring in higher numbers during covid as well. 2.4M of us retired earlier than planned. That opened up a lot of good jobs for younger people to move up, and then another layer under them.

Don't expect 65 year olds to come out of retirement to fill jobs flipping burgers.

yea, but when the entry level workers all think they should be jumping into CEO spots...

or that they're going to make millions on Instagram. ...

Only an old dork like you sees low wage workers saying, "Hey it would be cool to make more than $8 an hour" and thinks that means they think they should be a CEO. Companies got away with paying workers shit for generations. It was never tenable and this movement should've started long ago. If for no other reason than it makes the right people mad on the information superhighway.

[jfish26]

Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

It's not a shortage of people who need jobs. It is a shortage of people who have a work ethic and take pride in doing a good job. It is pretty simple: Do your job well. Be where you are supposed to be when you are supposed to be there. If you don't like your current job, get a better one. Until then, do your job well. Not sure why that is so confusing.

This sure comes off as hollow, paternalistic bullshit.

[JKLivin]

Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

It's not a shortage of people who need jobs. It is a shortage of people who have a work ethic and take pride in doing a good job. It is pretty simple: Do your job well. Be where you are supposed to be when you are supposed to be there. If you don't like your current job, get a better one. Until then, do your job well. Not sure why that is so confusing.

This sure comes off as hollow, paternalistic bullshit.

Sorry to hurt your feelings. Hate to break it to you, but paying a waiter $25 an hour isn’t going to instill a work ethic.