Big 12 Game Thread #1 - vs. Oklahoma

[sdoyel]

Meh.

3 biggest issues I see with this team:

1 Turnovers
2 Bad 3pt shooting
3 The inability for Dedric and Dok to co-exist

All of these things can be fixed. #3 is what will be the most difficult (I fear).

[twocoach]

We sucked ass in the 2nd half but looks like we will finish this one.

OK, Lawson, it's your time now. Instead he stands there doing nothing.

Moore, I really wanted to say nice things about you for your performance tonight but those bricks make it very challenging.

Friggin' Garrett

Dok on the ground fighting for the ball. Lawson standing there watching him. Yuck.

So who has weaker hands that get the ball stripped more, Dedric Lawson or Mitch Lightfoot?

I need another beer. Woof.

All that during a good win = relax for sure.

Fuck off. If it bugs you then don't read it. I will enjoy the game how I choose.

[pdub]

“Why does Dedric make the exact same shots when Dok is out that he misses when Dok is in?”

This.
The only shot that Dedric had that was different than the ones he missed when Dok was in was the second abuse of Manek when he hit a 10 foot jumper on the baseline.
Maybe it’s mental but I think it’ll get figured out. Our peak lineup is those two co-existing and Grimes playing more or less like he did last night.

[twocoach]

“Why does Dedric make the exact same shots when Dok is out that he misses when Dok is in?”

This.
The only shot that Dedric had that was different than the ones he missed when Dok was in was the second abuse of Manek when he hit a 10 foot jumper on the baseline.
Maybe it’s mental but I think it’ll get figured out. Our peak lineup is those two co-existing and Grimes playing more or less like he did last night.

Agreed. He seemed to be rushing things in the 2nd half when Dok came back like he was gonna get his shot at the first opportunity before Dok had a chance to set up and need to be fed.

There are certainly opportunities to be had if Lawson is patient and let's things set up. Dok gets so much attention that Lawson could find some easy baskets if he is patient. Self will get it figured out and Lawson will hopefully listen when the message is delivered.

[twocoach]

lulz

I like to watch the dumbassery when it's close.

Weird. I like to watch and talk about the game when it's close. To each their own I guess.

Who are you?

You shit yourself like Doyel. You miss the point like Illy. You respond with more dumbassery like Imzy. Are they all your socks? Or are you theirs?

Why are you and Illy even in this thread? Both of you posted to this thread 5 times and they were all putdowns of other users or their posts. None of the 10 posts were about the actual game.

You came to a game thread specifically looking to put down fellow KU fans.

[Deleted User 75]

Why are you and Illy even in this thread? Both of you posted to this thread 5 times and they were all putdowns of other users or their posts. None of the 10 posts were about the actual game.

You came to a game thread specifically looking to put down fellow KU fans.

16/66 for his career now....worse % this year than last year.

But the kid can play some defense, rebound, and get out in transition. He's very useful. I enjoy watching him play.

He's fine. He's not going to score as much when Dok is getting dunks. Dok scores easier than him against most teams. He should pass the ball to Dok and score when it comes within the offense. It's easier to isolate Dok for a dunk, than spread everyone out and have dedric driving and kicking to guys that aren't hitting a bunch of 3s every night.

Dedric will adjust.

Relax. We struggle to score at times. It's no secret. We don't need to do this every game. We're up 8pts. And can't throw it in the ocean from 3pt land.

#fakenews
Those are my posts from during the game.


And again, nobody put down "fans" (plural)...only YOU...stop being a pussy and complaining because you were melting down during a relatively stress free victory over a ranked team.

For fucks sake that's one of the best 3 or 4 games we've played all year!..if you're going to make false claims it'd probably be best to do it in a thread that isn't only 7 pages and is easy to go back and gather quotes.

[PhDhawk]

what gets posted and what twocoach interprets are seldom the same thing.

If his posts weren't 500 words long, I'd question if he was literate.

[TDub]

Dok needs to become a better passer though. I think sometimes he puts up a shot (which im sure hes being told to do) because he doesnt know how to look for the open man. His bball IQ isnt extremely high. That being said we sre definitely better with him in the game. Amd dotson continues to surpass even optimistic expectations

[pdub]

I think twocoach was 'flaming' during the second half where we let the Sooners get within four points.
We didn't look good - that definitely wasn't in our best 3 or 4 halves we've played all year.
I'd argue it was in our worst 5 halves we've played all year.

[pdub]

Devon Dotson has one or two moments every game where you go 'whoa'.
I get that with Vick sometimes with his tough shots but with Dotson, it's usually something unique you don't see as often, and typically has to do with dribbling/getting to the basket.
Last night's recovery just before he crossed half court where he dribbled it low to the ground to get out of trouble was his 'whoa' moment.

[NewtonHawk11]

Dok needs to become a better passer though. I think sometimes he puts up a shot (which im sure hes being told to do) because he doesnt know how to look for the open man. His bball IQ isnt extremely high. That being said we sre definitely better with him in the game. Amd dotson continues to surpass even optimistic expectations

To be fair, Dok gets rushed a ton because when he gets the ball down low, there is at least 1, maybe 2 more guys coming at him in a hurry and he has to shoot or risk turning the ball over. And with his FG percentage above 70%, it's a pretty good bet to take that he'll make the shot instead of trying to kick it out to a below average 3 point shooter

[TDub]

Dok needs to become a better passer though. I think sometimes he puts up a shot (which im sure hes being told to do) because he doesnt know how to look for the open man. His bball IQ isnt extremely high. That being said we sre definitely better with him in the game. Amd dotson continues to surpass even optimistic expectations

To be fair, Dok gets rushed a ton because when he gets the ball down low, there is at least 1, maybe 2 more guys coming at him in a hurry and he has to shoot or risk turning the ball over. And with his FG percentage above 70%, it's a pretty good bet to take that he'll make the shot instead of trying to kick it out to a below average 3 point shooter

Agreed. But there are times that when that double comes dedric slips behind them and if Dok could dump the ball to the cutter itd be a dunk (well not with dedric but yknow) and that would make it dangerous to double Dok leading to easier shots for him.

[Deleted User 75]

I think twocoach was 'flaming' during the second half where we let the Sooners get within four points.

Regardless of when, comparing dedric's hands to mitch's is pretty fucking stupid and over the top. Apparently telling him to "relax" after that is coming to the thread only to put down a bunch of KU fans.....?

[Deleted User 89]

telling anyone to relax in a game thread is a fool’s errand

[Lonestarjayhawk]

An ugly win is still a win. Let"s save our meltdowns for losses. Suggestion only.

Carry-on how you feel led.

[twocoach]

I think twocoach was 'flaming' during the second half where we let the Sooners get within four points.

Regardless of when, comparing dedric's hands to mitch's is pretty fucking stupid and over the top. Apparently telling him to "relax" after that is coming to the thread only to put down a bunch of KU fans.....?

Comment on the game in the game thread.

When good plays happened, I commented on them. When bad plays happened, I commented on them. If some of my comments seem too stupid for you or you do not feel comfortable with my positive comment to negative comment ratio, then take your own advice and utilize the ignore feature.

And for the record, telling someone to relax in the game thread is about as useful and welcome as telling your wife to relax in an argument. It is rarely well received.

[twocoach]

Devon Dotson has one or two moments every game where you go 'whoa'.
I get that with Vick sometimes with his tough shots but with Dotson, it's usually something unique you don't see as often, and typically has to do with dribbling/getting to the basket.
Last night's recovery just before he crossed half court where he dribbled it low to the ground to get out of trouble was his 'whoa' moment.

He also does a great job in disrupting plays on defense by just having a knack to put himself in the right spot at the right time. Josh Jackson also did that a lot and I love it.

Every time I see Dotson play, I feel like the number of seasons he will be here shrinks. Both sad and awesome. He is fun to watch.

[pdub]

He's here 2.
He'll be an All American ( like 2nd/3rd team ) candidate next year and bounce.

[PhDhawk]

Mason and Graham's Sr. seasons have got to be the selling point to keep Dotson. Basically he could leave now and be a fringe first rounder, or stay lead a team, pick up a ton of hardware and play his way into the lottery.

At 20, he can do that (move up to the top of the draft), whereas Graham and Mason couldn't.

[Deleted User 75]

All depends if his 1st contract is the most important to him or his 2nd contract.

He would likely find his way onto an NBA roster if he decides to leave after this year. But he'd be less prepared to overcome going to a bad fit or bad organization at developing players....if he stays in college for another year or 2 he'd be more prepared to overcome something like that...but he'd also be risking injury and giving up a year or 2 of earning potential in an already limited window of earning potential possibility....and the NBA will only give you so long before they give up on you.

I'm not sure what he should do. Typically I lean going to the NBA as quickly as possible. But with a somewhat small PG who isn't a great shooter I may lean staying in college in this particular instance.