Redshirt rules

[twocoach]

Why should the Dok injury cause Agbaji to lose his red shirt?

I think it's a dumb idea.

This team has plenty of pieces. Bill can figure it out...

It's just an idea. I doubt he does it.

[twocoach]

With Selfs lines like “we have to play him if he burns the shirt”, sounds more like a threat to Vick. Dude looked drunk out there.

Can't afford to bench Vick but we can afford to bench KJ and/or Moore.

[jfish26]

With Selfs lines like “we have to play him if he burns the shirt”, sounds more like a threat to Vick. Dude looked drunk out there.

I have no idea what was going on, but performances like that have happened throughout Vick's career. As has been mentioned, there's a reason a guy that freakishly gifted was a relatively anonymous recruit.

Some guys figure it out. Some don't. LaGerald hasn't, and can't be expected to now.

[Deleted User 75]

Vick will be awesome 33% of the time. Average 33% of the time. And nonexistent/detrimental to the team 33% of the time.

We've known him long enough to know it's true.

We still need him. I trust him more than any guard not named Dotson. And he's who I'd want taking game winning shots over anyone else...which is sad frankly.

[sdoyel]

Why should the Dok injury cause Agbaji to lose his red shirt?

I think it's a dumb idea.

This team has plenty of pieces. Bill can figure it out...

Because without Doke (and without Silvio), the balance of pieces on the roster suggest going to a four-out base set. We're a guard or wing short of being complete for that, because KJ is bad.

KJ is probably the 2nd best rebounder on this team and capable of averaging double figures scoring given the minutes.

[pdub]

Capable I guess.
That still doesn't mean he's good.
Carlton Bragg was probably capable too.

[jfish26]

Why should the Dok injury cause Agbaji to lose his red shirt?

I think it's a dumb idea.

This team has plenty of pieces. Bill can figure it out...

Because without Doke (and without Silvio), the balance of pieces on the roster suggest going to a four-out base set. We're a guard or wing short of being complete for that, because KJ is bad.

KJ is probably the 2nd best rebounder on this team and capable of averaging double figures scoring given the minutes.

KJ is not a wing. He’s an undersized 4. A vastly less athletic Jamari.

If we are going four-our more, KJ doesn’t really help.

[Deleted User 75]

We could use Jamari!

[vmlb]

what if sds is declared eligible?

[Mjl]

what if sds is declared eligible?

He was, and he has not since been declared ineligible.

[Deleted User 75]

what if sds is declared eligible?

He was, and he has not since been declared ineligible.

We love to keep saying this, but it's not a genuine statement....


There was an article that touched on it in the last few days... we (KU) have declared him ineligible I'm pretty sure....now we'd have to file reinstatement papers with the ncaa, which we haven't done iirc.

The ncaa isn't holding him out. KU is at this point.

[ousdahl]

perhaps the most frustrating part of the SDS isn't simply that he's out. It's that he's out cuz of the same uncorroborated evidence in the same shady trial that made the same allegations against Zion, who is now the fucking face of college basketball.

[Deleted User 75]

perhaps the most frustrating part of the SDS isn't simply that he's out. It's that he's out cuz of the same uncorroborated evidence in the same shady trial that made the same allegations against Zion, who is now the fucking face of college basketball.

The same evidence was not presented against Zion/Duke as SDS/KU...but we've gone over that and some people don't want to admit that. (Just because we're all pretty sure/positive Zion did things against the rules, doesn't mean that similar evidence was presented. It wasn't. The only evidence related to Zion was directly related to Kansas staff... not Dukes, not Zions parents)


SDS is out because Self is holding him out. If Self thinks the allegations are true then his job is to hold him out regardless of if the ncaa has officially declared him ineligible.

[ousdahl]

ohh so if it wasn't Zion or his parents bartering for jobs and housing and cash, then who was it?

[Deleted User 75]

ohh so if it wasn't Zion or his parents bartering for jobs and housing and cash, then who was it?

It was. We know that....but the only "evidence" was a KU coach talking about how he was willing to do whatever it took to get him there......you really think that's the same as the SDS stuff? There are people who admitted to the SDS stuff. Clearly Self sort of believes it and that's why we're not fighting it very hard publicly.

[CrimsonNBlue]

perhaps the most frustrating part of the SDS isn't simply that he's out. It's that he's out cuz of the same uncorroborated evidence in the same shady trial that made the same allegations against Zion, who is now the fucking face of college basketball.

The same evidence was not presented against Zion/Duke as SDS/KU...but we've gone over that and some people don't want to admit that. (Just because we're all pretty sure/positive Zion did things against the rules, doesn't mean that similar evidence was presented. It wasn't. The only evidence related to Zion was directly related to Kansas staff... not Dukes, not Zions parents)


SDS is out because Self is holding him out. If Self thinks the allegations are true then his job is to hold him out regardless of if the ncaa has officially declared him ineligible.

It's all the same. Bunch of he-said she-said.

The only direct hard evidence that was revealed relating to a Kansas player was connected to Josh Jackson's mother.

[Deleted User 75]

You think we want to push our luck with the ncaa when we could be facing "lack of institutional control" type punishments?

If the ncaa gets it in their mind they want to make an example of us, there seems to be plenty of evidence to support that our coaches were actively involved in working with the Adidas guy who admitted to paying players....coaches get banned for stuff like that. Didn't Bruce Pearl get banned for several years for lying about knowing of improper benefits?

Our staff is doing exactly what they should. There is nothing totally unexplainable that has been presented in court that the ncaa has seen, even though we all know exactly what's been going on....so we are playing by the rules and doing exactly what the ncaa would want. My guess, is they will look kindly upon our staff for our actions handling the Preston and SDS situations.

[ousdahl]

do you think Duke and K are pushing their luck with Zion?

[Deleted User 75]

perhaps the most frustrating part of the SDS isn't simply that he's out. It's that he's out cuz of the same uncorroborated evidence in the same shady trial that made the same allegations against Zion, who is now the fucking face of college basketball.

The same evidence was not presented against Zion/Duke as SDS/KU...but we've gone over that and some people don't want to admit that. (Just because we're all pretty sure/positive Zion did things against the rules, doesn't mean that similar evidence was presented. It wasn't. The only evidence related to Zion was directly related to Kansas staff... not Dukes, not Zions parents)


SDS is out because Self is holding him out. If Self thinks the allegations are true then his job is to hold him out regardless of if the ncaa has officially declared him ineligible.

It's all the same. Bunch of he-said she-said.

The only direct hard evidence that was revealed relating to a Kansas player was connected to Josh Jackson's mother.

It's not all the same. There is literally nothing on Zion other than a text from a KU coach saying he'd break rules to get him....while talking to a guy who admitted under oath to paying players to attend Adidas schools.

Where's the Nike guy or Duke coach admitting to giving Zion the stuff KT said he'd give him?

[CrimsonNBlue]

You think we want to push our luck with the ncaa when we could be facing "lack of institutional control" type punishments?

If the ncaa gets it in their mind they want to make an example of us, there seems to be plenty of evidence to support that our coaches were actively involved in working with the Adidas guy who admitted to paying players....coaches get banned for stuff like that. Didn't Bruce Pearl get banned for several years for lying about knowing of improper benefits?

Our staff is doing exactly what they should. There is nothing totally unexplainable that has been presented in court that the ncaa has seen, even though we all know exactly what's been going on....so we are playing by the rules and doing exactly what the ncaa would want. My guess, is they will look kindly upon our staff for our actions handling the Preston and SDS situations.

It's completely within the rules for the staff to work with the shoe companies.

I agree that KU is playing it safe, and it's probably the best course of action even though I disagree with Self doing so (I think he and Cal should go scorched earth on the NCAA).

But the notion that there is such an enormous difference between the admitted evidence regarding De Sousa and Zion is wrong and completely misunderstanding what came out. The texts did nothing more than show a relationship between our staff and adidas. Which, again, is within the rules.