We Lost the Battle for the Republican Party’s Soul Long Ago

[Deleted User 863]

The 3 stooges.

[Deleted User 863]

Strange to belittle someone for having minority race family members and/or law enforcement family members.

So woke.

[Qusdahl]

The 3 stooges.

You got me all wrong bro, Q’s on your side.

Where we go one, we go all!

[KUTradition]

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... -explained

In 2010, Repub­lic­ans — in an effort to control the draw­ing of congres­sional maps — forged a campaign to win major­it­ies in as many state legis­latures as possible. It was wildly success­ful, giving them control over the draw­ing of 213 congres­sional districts. The redraw­ing of maps that followed produced some of the most extreme gerry­manders in history. In battle­ground Pennsylvania, for example, the congres­sional map gave Repub­lic­ans a virtual lock on 13 of the state’s 18 congres­sional districts, even in elec­tions where Demo­crats won the major­ity of the statewide congres­sional vote.
Nation­ally, extreme partisan bias in congres­sional maps gave Repub­lic­ans a net 16 to 17 seat advant­age for most of last decade. Michigan, North Caro­lina, and Pennsylvania alone — the three states with the worst gerry­manders in the last redis­trict­ing cycle — accoun­ted for 7 to 10 extra Repub­lican seats in the House.

On the state level, gerry­man­der­ing has also led to signi­fic­ant partisan bias in maps. For example, in 2018, Demo­crats in Wiscon­sin won every statewide office and a major­ity of the statewide vote, but thanks to gerry­man­der­ing, won only 36 of the 99 seats in the state assembly.

Though Repub­lic­ans were the primary bene­fi­ciar­ies of gerry­man­der­ing last decade, Demo­crats have also used redis­trict­ing for partisan ends: in Mary­land, for instance, Demo­crats used control over map-draw­ing to elim­in­ate one of the state’s Repub­lican congres­sional districts.

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The Supreme Court’s 2019 decision in Rucho v. Common Cause green­light­ing partisan gerry­man­der­ing has made things worse. The Voting Rights Act and the Consti­tu­tion prohibit racial discrim­in­a­tion in redis­trict­ing. But because there often is correl­a­tion between party pref­er­ence and race, Rucho opens the door for Repub­lican-controlled states to defend racially discrim­in­at­ory maps on grounds that they were permiss­ibly discrim­in­at­ing against Demo­crats rather than imper­miss­ibly discrim­in­at­ing against Black, Latino, or Asian voters...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/113 ... -us-party/

According to a poll conducted in December 2018, 65 percent of respondents who identified as Democrats did not favor the practice of gerrymandering. While Republicans were slightly more likely to support gerrymandering than Democrats or Independents, 59 percent were still opposed.


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... stricting/

[Deleted User 863]

Trad with the old "both sides do it". Classic.

[Qusdahl]

Yea, both sides DO do it!

On second thought, maybe both sides do have some fundamental differences…speaking of which, could you try to not bring yer minority race family members around any more? There’s concerns it’s rubbing some of the other Q bros the wrong way.

Cuz when we say where “we” go one we go all, well, you know what we mean.

Kinda like when the founding fathers said “all men are created equal, you know what we mean, wink wink lol”

[KUTradition]

Trad with the old "both sides do it". Classic.

you’re either not smart enough to understand the nuance, or are intentionally dismissing it to push a narrative

i’ll let you decide

[twocoach]

keep ramming your $#!t down other peoples throat. we'll see how that works out in nov 22.

"I only want my kids to learn what I agree with" isn't the answer. "I only want to be around people who look, think and feel like I do" isn't the answer. Electing a bunch of con men and grifters isn't the answer.

[JKLivin]

Unless your side wins.

Just shut up asswipe.
You have no opinion that is of value to anyone here, outside of your “best bud”, Psych

Trying way too hard. Again.

Might be time to take a look in the mirror.

Always funny to watch you go thread to thread trying to start shit.

The boreds are a lot more fun with Overlander on Ignore. Just sayin'.

[twocoach]

exactly

cheating and disenfranchisement…the funny thing is that even if that happens, it doesn’t change the truth, no matter how much mich wants to think it does

2020 was the last free and fair election that we will see for quite a while.

Unless your side wins.

"My" side will occasionally win despite the overt efforts by the GOP to cheat. Those wins don't mean that those elections were magically "free and fair".

[Deleted User 863]

2020 was the last free and fair election that we will see for quite a while.

Unless your side wins.

"My" side will occasionally win despite the overt efforts by the GOP to cheat. Those wins don't mean that those elections were magically "free and fair".

Cheating is cheating.

I don't think either side should engage in gerrymandering.

[twocoach]

Unless your side wins.

"My" side will occasionally win despite the overt efforts by the GOP to cheat. Those wins don't mean that those elections were magically "free and fair".

Cheating is cheating.

I don't think either side should engage in gerrymandering.

I didn't say that "my" side would only win by cheating as well. I just said that at times they will be able to overcome the cheating done by the GOP. But the GOP has managed to shoehorn itself in to enough places despite their diminishing status as a representative of those they are representing that it will be another 25 years of this nonsense.

It feels like we are still maybe two generations from the GOP becoming simply to much of a minority in this country to matter any more.

[Deleted User 863]

Saw the edit coach....


So if we can all agree many on both sides do not think elections are free and fair anymore and the legitimacy is gone, then where do we go from here? It's not going to be a good place.

Qop won't accept losses due to fraud that doesn't exist.

Libs won't accept losses because of gerrymandering and voter suppression....which btw i agree are legitimate issues.

Either way, even though one side may be right and one may be wrong, both sides will lose.

Although you're nuts if don't think Biden has chased some people back to the "other side" or no side at all. 2022 and 2024 are going to be tight and not just due to gerrymandering and voter suppression (or fake voter fraud).

[Qusdahl]

Biden’s approval ratings and reelection prospects are in the tank cuz he gave lip service promises to advance popular progressive initiatives on the campaign trail, then took a big steamy septuagenarian dump on those promises in favor of the same old corporate imperial bullshit, and now he’s wondering why more folks don’t like him.

But, in the spirit of this thread, who knows! Maybe lip service’ll be enough to get re-elected, considering the GOP can’t seem to offer a popular initiative about anything at all.

[MICHHAWK]

the folks elected center left leaning uncle joe, and got progressive puppet uncle joe. hence not being able to get hardly none of his agenda through.

the folks don't want dt. but they do want dt's policies.

[KUTradition]

Biden’s approval ratings and reelection prospects are in the tank cuz he gave lip service promises to advance popular progressive initiatives on the campaign trail, then took a big steamy septuagenarian dump on those promises in favor of the same old corporate imperial bullshit, and now he’s wondering why more folks don’t like him.

he’s definitely lost a good chunk of my support by doing things counter to his purported environmental/climate platform

but, i’ve said before jokingly that both dems and pubs will fuck you…the dems just do it with a smile

[Qusdahl]

Yea.

At the end of the day there’s so little difference between Dems and pubs in the Merican 2 party system.

But, go figure how many Mericans think the problem is the other side

[MICHHAWK]

i can tell the difference.

[Deleted User 863]

i can tell the difference.

I think there are huge differences.

[Qusdahl]

What’s the big differences?!